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WCDT: 2001-2005 (29 Aug-2 Sept 2011)
Mr_Rose:
Voyager and Enterprise both had oodles of potential but no real inspiration or control.
Voyager by its very premise really had to be plot-driven and not episodic yet you have the ship wrecked to hell and gone one week then sailing into view like it just left the docks the next week. That plus the random characterisation (is Janeway a psychopath this week or not, find out after the break!) really destroyed it. Also, adding Seven of Nine was not actually pandering. Casting Jeri Ryan as Seven of Nine then making her wear skin-tight lycra for the rest of the series was pandering. Subtle, no?
Enterprise had exactly the opposite problem, really; after all the wailing and gnashing of teeth over Voyager, they went for a more linear style with much better continuity but forgot to have adventures while they were doing it. Any comments RE Seven apply just as much to T'Pol, too. I almost wish they'd gone even further back, to the first diaspora, and followed Cochrane and pals out into the wilds of space rather than have an anaemic Starfleet begging permission for everything from the Vulcans.
Skaltura:
--- Quote from: jwhouk on 03 Sep 2011, 16:43 ---Woo. Going from I, Robot to a discussion of the ST universe.
Personally, of course, I have a soft spot for TOS. I mean, come ON; I was born minutes after "Mirror, Mirror" aired. TNG is pretty good, if it only filled out things that TOS never got to deal with.
I never really got into DS9, if only because it was mostly concurrent with TNG, and it was a bit too much like Gunsmoke to TNG's Wagon Train.
Voyager was just a bit too way out there. And adding Seven of Nine was just an attempt to pander to HNG's.
I am one of those weirdos, though, who thought Enterprise had a LOT of potential - which they flushed down the toilet with the whole "destroy a chunk of the earth" thing.
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I think age is a contributing factor if you measure TNG or TOS fandom (outliers exist), you like TOS because you grew up with it, I like TNG because I grew up with that, but it does not mean I hate TOS, as with VOY there are a lot of episodes that I like, but even then I must admit the cheese and ham (and well, the rampant sexism among other things) gets a bit much for my taste sometimes. I always liken TOS to a series of morality plays on 60's issues, probably cutting edge at the time but it came with a price. If you allow me to throw another nerd concept into the mix, it lacks what Tolkien called "applicability" in the foreword to LotR.
Funnily enough though, I like the TOS movies better than the TNG movies; my personal ranking goes II > VI > VIII > IV > I > III > X, the other three, let us not speak of them.
I'm also a fan of B5, new BSG, Stargate and Farscape, I'm probably one of the biggest SciFi (space SciFi that is) nerds you will find, although I hate the inter-universe rivalry the respective fandoms are so quick to drum up.
As with ENT, yes it had potential, but my god did the writing suck.
Spectreofwar:
--- Quote from: Mr_Rose on 03 Sep 2011, 17:15 --- Casting Jeri Ryan as Seven of Nine then making her wear skin-tight lycra for the rest of the series was pandering. Subtle, no?
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Female Borg wear high heels. It was in the dossier. Did you not know that? ;)
... oh wait, just her? Drat.
(Still, I know *I* didn't complain the first time I saw her...)
gangler:
--- Quote from: Mr_Rose on 03 Sep 2011, 16:28 ---Heh. All this fictional legalism reminds me of an essay, by a professed Star Wars fan, that claimed the Federation was a fascist dictatorship based on the fact that there are almost no civilian starships.
I wonder if he ever figured out that by the same metric so is the USA, since almost no individuals own their own jumbo jets. Or aircraft carriers.
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Dear God. I don't even have to know anything about Star Trek for that to make my head hurt. Fascist Dictatorship? Neither of those words mean anything even remotely applicable to what he's talking about.
Carl-E:
I'm of the age that TOS was still on when I was growing up, although I was more aware of them as re-runs (thanks, DesiLu!). I was in grad school when TNG started, but the episodes I caught were fun, well done, and true to the original spirit, so I guess I was a fan. DS9 was also in grad school (later), and some cable channel ran the series in reruns late at night - I got hooked. I really enjoyed the interspecies(?) politics in that show.
Voyager came along when I had kids old enough to watch with, but I was usually too busy to really follow it. I liked the chracter parts - mainly Neelix and the doctor - but never watched enough to realize the serious shortcomings most people talk about. And I never saw an episode of Enterprise. It pretty much coincided with a period of extreme turmoil in my life, so... yeah.
I don't watch much TV anymore anyway.
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