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Robots and love
jwhouk:
"The commandments (are all) summed up in this one rule: Love your neighbor as yourself. Love does no harm to its neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law."
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"Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. Love never fails...."
"When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put childish ways behind me."
"And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love."
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I know - just some tentmaker from Tarsus in the 1st Century. But he had a point.
Carl-E:
Let me not to the marriage of true minds
Admit impediments. Love is not love
Which alters when it alteration finds,
Or bends with the remover to remove:
O no! it is an ever-fixed mark
That looks on tempests and is never shaken;
It is the star to every wandering bark,
Whose worth's unknown, although his height be taken.
Love's not Time's fool, though rosy lips and cheeks
Within his bending sickle's compass come:
Love alters not with his brief hours and weeks,
But bears it out even to the edge of doom.
If this be error and upon me proved,
I never writ, nor no man ever loved.
--Bill Somebodyorother
Ok, it's not a defeinition - just some definite characteristics of love.
idontunderstand:
Love is real, real is love,
Love is feeling, feeling love,
Love is wanting to be loved.
Love is touch, touch is love,
Love is reaching, reaching love,
Love is asking to be loved
Love is you,
You and me,
Love is knowing,
We can be
Love is free, free is love,
Love is living, living love,
Love is needing to be loved
NeverQuiteGoth:
--- Quote from: Skewbrow on 02 Sep 2011, 14:27 ---
--- Quote from: Random Al Yousir on 02 Sep 2011, 14:02 ---
There we are again. If a being is programmed to care about others, could this really be love?
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They call it the genetic code for a reason?
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That code creates your brain, not your mind. Your mind isn't your brain; rather you mind is one of the things your brain does. There is absolutely no reason that something other than a brain couldn't be made to do the same thing, just because we don't yet understand anything about the fundamental mathematical structure of a mind.
That said, Random Al is failing here to distinguish between feeling love in a specific instance and the general capacity to love. And in either case, asking if its really love is a bit of a Wrong Question. Love is a multifaceted and complicated construct in our minds, and the only place where it can be real or not is your mind.
Quite simply, if the AI thinks what it feels is real, then it's real. Same goes for all of us, doesn't it?
What matters is not external behavior, but the reason for that behavior. If an AI talks and acts like a human for the same reasons that a human talks and acts like a human, isn't it just as much a person as you are?
Why does it act like it loves? Does it think it loves? Why does it think it loves?
These are the only important questions, and you can't answer them for a human any better than you can for an AnthroPC.
Arancaytar:
--- Quote from: HiFranc on 02 Sep 2011, 02:04 ---
--- Quote ---To understand the needs of another being and to meet them (even if it means a cost to the provider) and for that provision to be motivated out of genuine caring rather than narrow self interest.
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I think that that's a reasonable definition of love. What do you think?
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I get what you are trying to formulate in that last part, but it appears circular in that "genuine caring" sounds a lot like a synonym for love. Understanding and meeting the needs of a being is something you can observe, as is cost. But when trying to judge what something is motivated by, you have much more difficulty. Finally, if an AI aims to make another person happy because that person being happy and thinking well of the AI will in turn make the AI happy, then some form of self interest is part of the equation, and yet this would be love by most ordinary standards. Otherwise, the only true love would be unrequited love.
--- Quote from: NeverQuiteGoth on 03 Sep 2011, 04:47 ---Quite simply, if the AI thinks what it feels is real, then it's real. Same goes for all of us, doesn't it?
What matters is not external behavior, but the reason for that behavior. If an AI talks and acts like a human for the same reasons that a human talks and acts like a human, isn't it just as much a person as you are?
Why does it act like it loves? Does it think it loves? Why does it think it loves?
These are the only important questions, and you can't answer them for a human any better than you can for an AnthroPC.
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I agree. I would also say that with sufficient complexity, determining what reasons an AI has for its behavior (eg. whether it appears to love because it loves, or whether it appears to love because it is designed to) becomes impossible. Or, to phrase it like Clarke might: Any sufficiently advanced intelligence is indistinguishable from sentience.
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