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Re: Robots and love
« Reply #100 on: 12 Sep 2011, 21:04 »

Is it possible to have love without attachment, and could an AnthroPC do it easily? Is it an option for the robot to say "rm -rf /proc/love/Marigold"? If so, would we consider that to really be love? ("It's love, Jim, but not as we know it.")

(But Momo has a registry, so it's probably impossible to remove all the traces and it would be like continuing to find clumps of cat hair for years after your cat died).

I had been wondering if AnthroPCs might gravitate to one of the less supernaturally-oriented religions, and there would be commercial advantages to installing, say, Confucianism on them.
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Re: Robots and love
« Reply #101 on: 13 Sep 2011, 01:08 »

I had been wondering if AnthroPCs might gravitate to one of the less supernaturally-oriented religions, and there would be commercial advantages to installing, say, Confucianism on them.
Hmm... Well, I can see how ren (altruism and humanity), li (adherence to custom), zhong (both personal loyalty and respecting your place in the social order), and xiao (filial piety, presumably with the robot's owner as the target) might seem like good things to program into AnthroPCs, but they might take seriously and literally the (frequently disregarded) obligations Confucius laid on rulers/social superiors in turn. You wouldn't want your robot deciding that you had lost the Mandate Of Heaven, really you wouldn't.
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« Reply #102 on: 13 Sep 2011, 06:35 »

The obligations on those in power are disregarded when a belief system is subverted to political ends? Well, Confucianism has that much in common with everything else.
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« Reply #103 on: 13 Sep 2011, 10:27 »

You wouldn't want your robot deciding that you had lost the Mandate Of Heaven, really you wouldn't.

I love it!  "You've attained power, so clearly the powers that be are pleased with you, and since you were meant to have it, please continue to do as you wish", balanced with "We're not happy with what you've been doing, so the powers that be must be displeased with you as well.  Please leave the keys to the palace with the attendants as you are 'escorted' out." 

Who says China's never had democracy?!?  It's a lot closer than this republic stuff we have in the US...
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Re: Robots and love
« Reply #104 on: 13 Sep 2011, 11:34 »

If an AnthroPC thinks its "owner" isn't living up to the obligations of authority, it's free to leave, unlike a peasant. But that's only the theory. They bond emotionally to their human companions. Can a robot get battered spouse syndrome? What if they're economically dependent? Momo almost couldn't get a job: what if she'd lived with a human who wasn't good to her the way Marigold has been?
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« Reply #105 on: 13 Sep 2011, 11:47 »

You wouldn't want your robot deciding that you had lost the Mandate Of Heaven, really you wouldn't.

I love it!  "You've attained power, so clearly the powers that be are pleased with you, and since you were meant to have it, please continue to do as you wish", balanced with "We're not happy with what you've been doing, so the powers that be must be displeased with you as well.  Please leave the keys to the palace with the attendants as you are 'escorted' out." 

Who says China's never had democracy?!?  It's a lot closer than this republic stuff we have in the US...
It certainly beats a God resembling a really bad cop.  But as "checks and balances" go, it's a bit flimsy.
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Re: Robots and love
« Reply #106 on: 13 Sep 2011, 11:52 »

So, one thing in animals that helps with both romantic and mother-child bonds is oxytocin.

Basically, in response to certain stimuli (IIRC mental stimuli included, but primarily sexual stimuli, childbirth, and nursing), the body releases oxytocin, which causes a bonding effect. So, a chemical changes how we perceive the person that induced the oxytocin release.

Not only that, but it's been found that love in humans has extremely similar effects to some hard drugs. We do everything we can for the next oxytocin hit.

In a robot, it could easily be programmed such that it can record actions that cause certain variables to increase, have the variables decay over time, and then once they fall below a certain point, have the robot try to increase those variables through actions. Even I could do that, and I'm a crap programmer. Bam, now you have a simulation of a biochemical reward system, in a robot. Tie the stimuli that cause "love" in humans to that reward system, and now you have partially simulated romantic and mother/child love. (Also, that could be an explanation for why AnthroPCs have libidos - the same chemical reward mechanism for bonding to children is used for bonding to romantic partners, in animals. Given that some AnthroPCs are meant to be caretakers for their humans...)

So, the biochemical reactions that lead to parts of what we know as "love" in humans can be reproduced farily easily.

Also, regarding the programming thing... I'd argue that humans are programmed, too. Think of how we handle early childhood education - granted, some of it is genetic - that could be the "seed program" that has the learning behavior, in a robot - but quite a lot of human behavior is learned. You could say that parents, teachers, etc. program children to act in a certain way. Just look at cultural differences in behavior - children raised in different cultures can behave very, VERY differently, and even reward systems can end up wired differently. I'd argue that a being programmed to love isn't really that different from a being that "naturally" loves.
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Re: Robots and love
« Reply #107 on: 14 Sep 2011, 21:27 »

If a robot's behavior is indistinguishable in every way from a human's love, is it even a meaningful statement to say that one is real and the other isn't?
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« Reply #108 on: 14 Sep 2011, 21:41 »

Ah, but how do you completely distinguish it from human love?
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« Reply #109 on: 15 Sep 2011, 11:13 »

The first problem is to rigorously define love, after three thousand years spent bickering over how to define it colloquially.

Also, while I was addressing Mad Cat earlier, I missed this diarrhea of the keyboard hiding under the filk.  I can smell the philosophy degree from here.

In all seriousness, the argument that digital systems are only capable of moving data around, performing arithmetic, and comparing digital values flies in the face of chaos theory and emergent behaviour. As soon as you have more than one digital processor operating asynchronously, you have chaos. As soon as you have you have a source of data to a single digital processor that is derived from a chaotic source, you have chaos, and with chaos, you get emergent behaviour. Emergent behaviour like emotions.

"But Cat," I hear you say, "multi-core processors have been around for years and work just great." Yes, they do... with synchronization mechanisms in both hardware and the OS. As soon as you start investigating cluster OSes, MPI, OpenMosix, etc. where computers connected only by network connections, yet have to cooperate on large problem sets, you realize an appreciation for the need for synchronization mechanisms and get an idea for how weird computers can behave when things occur in a an unusual sequence.

Why would chaos become anything we'd recognize as emotion?  You're literally suggesting here that sentience will arise from a random malfunction, one that doesn't aid function, which is the only reason to reproduce code that doesn't work as expected.  What you're suggesting is akin to mammals walking fully-formed out of the primordial sea under conditions more favorable to algae.

"But Cat," I hear you say, "no digital system can generate chaotic data." Au contrair, I say to you. PC northbridge chipsets and CPUs have, for a long time, featured devices with that very purpose in mind. They're called thermistors, tiny resistors that change their resistance in the presence of different temperatures, and analogue to digital converters with a high level of precision. By passing a small voltage, even one known a priori with a high level of precision, through that thermistor, there is no real, determiniastic way to predict what voltage will come out the other end, since it depends on the temperature of the thermistor at the time of the measurement. If you then feed that voltage into a high-precision ADC, you get a sequence of digital bits which represents that voltage as measured. The thing is, if the thermistor is of a relatively low quality, the thermistor will have very coarse fine-grained behaviour. A tiny temperature change in one temperature regime will have a large effect on the measured voltage, while a similarly tiny change of temperature in another temperature regime will have a similarly tiny effect on the measured voltage. And, the sizes of these effective changes in measured voltage can change over time.

What I'm saying is that while the most significant bits in the ADC output might be perfectly predictable (if the CPU's been running for A time under Y load, then its temperature should be Z and the ADC bits will be 0011010011101XXX. The first 13 bits might be predictable with a high degree of certainty, assuming those preconditions are known with sufficient precision, but the last three bits of the 16-bit ADC output will be utterly chaotic and unpredictable. For security, just pick up the last bit of several sequential ADC measurements and you can amass a HUGE storehouse of genuinely random bits of digital data. In the parlance of digital computational hardware, this is an RNG or Random Number Generator. This is true randomness, not the pseudo-randomness of a deterministic random number generator algorithms which is completely deterministic once the initial "seed" value is known. There is literally no physical mechanism in physics whereby the value of the random number output by a hardware RNG may be predicted. Thus, if your idealized computational arithmetic operations are fed these RNG values, it too takes on the characteristic of a chaotic system.

And don't even get me started on startup conditions, where computer chaos was first discovered in supposedly deterministic weather prediction software when the same simulation was run multiple times, but from different starting points in time with starting conditions given from earlier starting simulations. Your idealized computing device might only be capable of moving data around, performing arithmetic upon it, and comparing digital values, but that's only in the idealized world. Robots in the QCverse, just like actual electronic digital computing devices in our world, have to operate as embodied real world hardware, where the idealized rules can be broken.


I'm sorry.  Before, I was using the word "deterministic" as though I were talking to someone who actually knew what it meant, rather than using it as a blanket term for anything that goes against pop-chaos-theory woo.  If there's any randomness or pseudorandomness, different results on the same startup conditions, even on occasion vastly different results, can be expected.  And even if there isn't, yes, occasional malfunctions to be expected.  However, you're not going to see certain kinds of patterns spontaneously arise and persist without environmental pressures tending to favor them.  That's so far from proper chaos theory, it would be like Newton feigning the hypothesis that the planets were moved by myriad literal, invisible hands of God.

No, all that is just a long-winded way of saying "computers malfunction in all these ways, and if they malfunction enough, they might become real boys!"  (Also that some set up sources of true randomness - but numbers so obtained aren't actually going to do anything they're not programmed to.)  Even if this were possible, what you're describing isn't "artificial intelligence" in any real sense, but just intelligence that happens to pop up near a computer, like a Godzilla for the information age.  You're anthropomorphizing the programs we have in a way that's just not supported by anything; why would an agent arising from malfunctions have meaningful access to the "deterministic" algorithms (many of which are, of course, randomized, with a pseudo-RNG or a physical one, but "deterministic" in your sense) of the idealized computer that the physical computer was designed to run, and most of its power in society stem from its running, as faithfully as possible?  Machinery approaching as closely as possible an "idealized," "deterministic" computing device is what Momo, Winslow, Pintsize, and the cute robot clerks all appear to run on, since if not, they couldn't be faithfully transferred between chassis as they are.

The part in bold was my  point - AI research is ongoing, and people do  try programming learning behaviours with a wide berth.  That is  the purpose.  Everything else you said there is assuming it isn't done, but then you mention the one place where it is  done.

The fact that you think you have to tell me this is exactly why I say you've missed the point.

And it will still probably be an accident...

An accident only in the broadest sense, that an exploration into the nature of sentience or a large-scale simulation of the human mind might yield better results than expected.  I don't buy that it will come from the kind of "evolution" Kyrendis was describing.
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Re: Robots and love
« Reply #110 on: 15 Sep 2011, 13:50 »

The first problem is to rigorously define love, after three thousand years spent bickering over how to define it colloquially.
I propose bypassing that question by asking "Would we call it love if a human did it?". The definition problem appears on both sides of the equation, so just cancel it out.

EDIT, not quite relevant to today's comic:
Is it wrong to neglect a robot? Do they suffer from unrequited love?
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Re: Robots and love
« Reply #111 on: 15 Sep 2011, 23:52 »

"That's alright, I'll just sit here in the corner and calculate a few more decimal places of pi..."
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Re: Robots and love
« Reply #112 on: 16 Sep 2011, 11:05 »

You can't get jolted by simulated lightning. Therefore, if you're lying on the ground twitching with your hair on fire, it was real lightning.

If you get all the effects of love from a robot, is that real love?

The glaring flaw in that line of reasoning can be captured by asking "Did ELIZA offer real compassion?".
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« Reply #113 on: 16 Sep 2011, 13:44 »

To some, yes. To others, no.
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Re: Robots and love
« Reply #114 on: 17 Sep 2011, 10:22 »

Do AnthroPCs and their humans ever drift apart?
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« Reply #115 on: 17 Sep 2011, 12:34 »

Do AnthroPCs and their humans ever drift apart?

You have to wonder... it's only been what, maybe a dozen years or so since the first APC "hit the market"? It's not likely that issues like the 'bot outliving it's "companion" or robot/human disagreements have come to light enough that it's become an issue.

Of course, if the global AI mind is monitoring things, these situations might be taken care of quickly.

And, of course, we could also be engaging in Epileptic Trees, too... (and to be nice, I won't link the trope. Google it yourself.)
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« Reply #116 on: 17 Sep 2011, 19:16 »

Do AnthroPCs and their humans ever drift apart?

Now it's established AI's can swap chassis, I can imagine a human and AI losing contact with one another and, years later, the human is walking down the street when an ATM or something says, "Hey! Long time no see!"
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« Reply #117 on: 17 Sep 2011, 20:02 »

Heeh.  Imagine you're an AI who has found employment as a predator pilot and your job at hand is to take out an old acquaintance of yours ...

I wonder what the social protocol database recommends for this particular occasion.   :evil:
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« Reply #118 on: 17 Sep 2011, 20:47 »

Sending flowers afterwards. 

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« Reply #119 on: 17 Sep 2011, 21:56 »

Is the AI operating the Predator remotely or resident in onboard systems?
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« Reply #120 on: 18 Sep 2011, 05:24 »

Hmm, good point.  The very purpose of the unmanned military aircraft weapon class is to restrict human casualties to the enemies side.  On the assumption that AIs have human status when it comes to "value of life", it might lead to some heated argument when they are asked to "man" such a vehicle.

On the other hand - humans do man military aircraft, so a resident Predator-operating AI is probably much more comparable to a pilot.  And I'm pretty sure an AI can fly manoeuvres a human can't.
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« Reply #121 on: 18 Sep 2011, 06:56 »

A couple of remarks/replies

1) I'm not up to date with what autopilots can do, but 20 years ago a friend explained to me that if a jet fighter would get in trouble, and be otherwise unable to get rid of the chasers (may be an enemey missile locked on to you?), there was this emergency button... If a pilot pressed that button, a program would take over and go nuts. It would carry out sequence of crazy evasive manouvers, and then after some time level the plane again. The g-forces would make the pilot pass out, but hopefully s/he would be conscious again, when human control is needed. I'm not sure whether that was actually implemented, or whether it was still on the drawing board.

2) Is it not also a point that you can make an unmanned aircraft a bit more compact? You don't need to accomodate the pilot, so..

3) If the destruction of an AI-piloted aircraft becomes imminent, then the AI could also jettison itself. Wireless. Hmm, may be you can't find enough bandwidth to do that in a matter of seconds? A.C. Clarke used that idea in Hammer of God.
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« Reply #122 on: 18 Sep 2011, 07:03 »

Assuming AIs in QCvewrse would share the faster reaction times that electronics have in this 'verse, it'd make sense for the AI to be a remote operator. Whole idea of drones in this 'verse is that if  you lose one, you lose a bundle of machinery and don't have to write a letter to somebody's family.
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« Reply #123 on: 18 Sep 2011, 07:31 »

Skewbrow:
1) The story is... dubious at best. Actually building such a device on purpose would be an insane waste of resources, even for he US military. And anyway they have their "oh fuck" emergency button already; it's called the ejector seat.
Adding a button that resets the flight computer and leaves the pilot effectively zero control* of the aircraft until it reboots, though...

2) Yes but we know that QC-verse AIs can fit into much smaller volumes than any human pilot and can probably be directly interfaced to the controls.

3) There seems to be some issue there, where AI transfers are bitwise moves rather than copy-and-delete so sending home a copy might not be possible. A miniature ejector pod with an armoured AI core could work in such cases, however. Heck, if the AI processor itself can be shielded sufficiently and given a durable backup power supply, there might be no need to remove them prior to the crash at all.


*Modern fighter jets are (deliberately - it makes them more agile) incapable of maintaining straight and level flight without computer control; removing said computer control could have the effect described but in almost all circumstances it would be easier on the pilot to just bug out.
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« Reply #124 on: 18 Sep 2011, 07:40 »

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Chances are that a resident AI manned aircraft outperforms a remotely controlled one any time, partly due to bandwidth restrictions, partly by having the decisive millisecond to its advantage.

Of course, that will only become an issue when AI controlled aircrafts encounter in combat, which brings up the question of the global AI mind's stance on the whole thing of "AIs killing each other".
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« Reply #125 on: 18 Sep 2011, 13:46 »

Well, this thread's half-derailed.  We gots robots, but at war, flying drones - where's the love? 
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« Reply #126 on: 18 Sep 2011, 14:02 »

Since I'm the culprit here: Could these last entries after my silly joke, that started the derailment, be cut out to start another thread?

My idea for the title would be "Artificial and non-artificial silliness".
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« Reply #127 on: 18 Sep 2011, 14:15 »

Derailed? Oops!

A wonderful excuse to stop searching for information about something that likely has never existed. I think I will take it.
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« Reply #128 on: 18 Sep 2011, 17:32 »

Are AnthroPCs like dogs, who automatically love the people who shelter and feed them, or like cats, who bond conditionally?

If the latter, there must be some really disappointed humans who failed to make emotional connections with their robots. Worse, those might be just the humans who most need the love.
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« Reply #129 on: 18 Sep 2011, 22:11 »

A good question. An answer might be that the market for APCs capable of dealing with such humans is large. Therefore the incentive to put research into that would exist. May be there is a dog/cat switch? Or if not a switch, then AIs could be designed to have varying types of personalities. The sales clerk would then have the additional role of a matchmaker.
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« Reply #130 on: 19 Sep 2011, 19:07 »

I don't know if computers will ever feel emotions as we understand them, and suspect that long before they have those capabilities, they will be able to express love insofar as we are able to program them to do so.

But regardless, I think it's important to point out that robots need love, too.

Is it ethical to include grief in the set of emotions an artificial life form can feel?
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Is grief inevitable when love exists?

Grief is a feeling of loss that is a consequence of strong feelings of attachment. Learning to value the things around us, including our social and family relationships, is important to our being able to function in society as we understand it. As pain is a warning to the brain that harm is being (or can be) done to the body, it is important that we feel pain so that we learn the limits of what our body and mind are able to handle: I suspect that it would rather be highly unethical to remove the possibility for grief, much less any other kind of painful emotional responses.
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« Reply #131 on: 03 Oct 2011, 12:53 »

As I said in the fan-art thread, I'd have expected Momo to sit in seiza or kekkafuza with her hands in the classic gassho position in this situation, but I suppose cultural conditioning would be a different thing for her.
Might mourning rituals be selected by her regional settings?
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« Reply #132 on: 05 Oct 2011, 01:28 »

More by her religional settings, I guess.

Besides, the religional settings of the deceased are the first thing to consider, IMHO.  I don't disgrace a muslim funeral with music, I don't insult a catholic deceased with a bland grave.
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« Reply #133 on: 05 Oct 2011, 11:30 »

You would like the book "How to be a perfect stranger", which explains how and how not to behave at weddings, funerals, religious services of other religions. It's probably in the social protocol database.

Jeph said on Tumber that robots don't "do" religion. This is a radical difference from humans!
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« Reply #134 on: 05 Oct 2011, 11:36 »

Why would an AI need faith?  It knows who its maker is...


... and it finds us "amusing"!
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« Reply #135 on: 05 Oct 2011, 13:42 »

Didn't the guy running the holistic detective agency encounter an Electric Monk? An AI specifically designed to believe in various things so that human beings could spend their time on other stuff. Pretty much the same principle as with VCRs watching the tv programs for us.
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« Reply #136 on: 06 Oct 2011, 13:30 »

You would like the book "How to be a perfect stranger", which explains how and how not to behave at weddings, funerals, religious services of other religions. It's probably in the social protocol database.
Whooo.  A social protocol database for non-artificial intelligences.  Nice!

Personally, I found that telling the people that I'm an atheist helps a great deal in these matters.  I get first class, comprehensive explanations, it's practically impossible to ask stupid questions (although I never tested this out ambitiously) and I guess I could get away with quite some unfit behaviour, if I failed to "get" some point.
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« Reply #137 on: 06 Oct 2011, 13:42 »

Didn't the guy running the holistic detective agency encounter an Electric Monk? An AI specifically designed to believe in various things so that human beings could spend their time on other stuff. Pretty much the same principle as with VCRs watching the tv programs for us.
The electric monk was not designed by humans at all; it only looked human because its originators didn't want anyone to get it confused with a real person and picked the ugliest design they could think of. Pink skin and only two eyes? Ludicrous.
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« Reply #138 on: 07 Oct 2011, 21:47 »

Didn't the guy running the holistic detective agency encounter an Electric Monk? An AI specifically designed to believe in various things so that human beings could spend their time on other stuff. Pretty much the same principle as with VCRs watching the tv programs for us.
The electric monk was not designed by humans at all; it only looked human because its originators didn't want anyone to get it confused with a real person and picked the ugliest design they could think of. Pink skin and only two eyes? Ludicrous.

A pedant writes... they were given an extra eye (making for a grand total of two), and were designed to look artificial rather than ugly. (And they were restricted to just two legs so they could ride horses and thus look more sincere).

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« Reply #139 on: 10 Nov 2011, 11:47 »

I'm just going to point out that its a comic people an amazing comic but a comic none the less :psyduck:
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« Reply #140 on: 10 Nov 2011, 14:41 »

I'm pretty sure we're all aware of that.  Are you implying that there is no merit in discussing it because it's a comic?
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« Reply #141 on: 10 Nov 2011, 14:50 »

Sometimes even I have to fall back on that explanation.
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« Reply #142 on: 10 Nov 2011, 16:41 »

But the AI in our friendly robots must have some kind of a moral code. Otherwise they would surely be used for criminal ends?  If not Asimov's three laws, then something else?

Why would this be true in fiction (other than that by Asimov himself) when it's not true in real life?  You do understand that Asimov's Three Laws of Robotics are fictional and have nothing to do with how real robots are designed and built, don't you?  I hope so.

And in the QC world, is there any doubt that Pintsize would engage in all sorts of criminal behavior if Marty would let him (and probably does so behind Marten's back anyway)?
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« Reply #143 on: 10 Nov 2011, 17:00 »

Don't be condescending. Most of the forum is well up on its Asimov and Co., or a least familiar with SF.

Though Asimov did relate one story about a reporter, following up on a story about a factory worker who had been crushed by an industrial robot arm (he had been inside the safety cage when he shouldn't have been) who called him to ask why the Three Laws didn't prevent that.
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« Reply #144 on: 10 Nov 2011, 18:16 »

They're legally allowed to run around loose. There must be something about them to satisfy concerns about public safety.

Perhaps they're subject to criminal law as humans are, and that has a deterrent effect.

Jeph said AnthroPCs like humans. That, and an ability to predict the consequences of actions, can function as a moral code.
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« Reply #145 on: 10 Nov 2011, 22:33 »

I'm just saying everyone is entitled to their opinion (unless it conflicts with mine) no just kidding  :lol:
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« Reply #146 on: 11 Nov 2011, 19:32 »

Don't be condescending. Most of the forum is well up on its Asimov and Co., or a least familiar with SF.

Though Asimov did relate one story about a reporter, following up on a story about a factory worker who had been crushed by an industrial robot arm (he had been inside the safety cage when he shouldn't have been) who called him to ask why the Three Laws didn't prevent that.

I wasn't intending to be condensending.  I was asking why the person who posted the comment I was responding to held the opinion that they posted.  One obvious answer would be that the poster felt that the Three Laws are real, not fictional, though I didn't think it was the case.
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« Reply #147 on: 11 Nov 2011, 20:44 »

One of Asimov's characters pointed out that a sophisticated robot following the Three Laws could be hard to distinguish from a virtuous human.

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« Reply #148 on: 11 Nov 2011, 23:37 »

But the AI in our friendly robots must have some kind of a moral code. Otherwise they would surely be used for criminal ends?  If not Asimov's three laws, then something else?

Why would this be true in fiction (other than that by Asimov himself) when it's not true in real life?  You do understand that Asimov's Three Laws of Robotics are fictional and have nothing to do with how real robots are designed and built, don't you?  I hope so.

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Don't be condescending. Most of the forum is well up on its Asimov and Co., or a least familiar with SF.

Though Asimov did relate one story about a reporter, following up on a story about a factory worker who had been crushed by an industrial robot arm (he had been inside the safety cage when he shouldn't have been) who called him to ask why the Three Laws didn't prevent that.

I wasn't intending to be condensending.  I was asking why the person who posted the comment I was responding to held the opinion that they posted.  One obvious answer would be that the poster felt that the Three Laws are real, not fictional, though I didn't think it was the case.

Pray, tell me, how does the statement "the anthroPCs must have some kind of a moral code" imply that "I feel that the three laws are real"? Asimov's three laws were just mentioned in a couple earlier posts, so they served as a point of reference at that time.
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« Reply #149 on: 11 Nov 2011, 23:52 »

Today's robots are not good examples of what's needed. There's little moral content in welding a car.

Build a robot with free will, and if you don't have the Three Laws you'll need to put in something better or come up with a damned good reason.
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