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WCDT: 2031-2035 (10-14 October 2011)
snubnose:
--- Quote from: Akima on 11 Oct 2011, 06:54 ---
--- Quote from: Paranoid on 11 Oct 2011, 06:26 ---I see no reason why he won't take the time to calm Padma down and assure her that she doesn't have to feel bad for not reciprocating Elliot's feelings.
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Oh yeah, that'll work :roll: - if Padma can turn her feelings on and off like light-switches. For a real person, not so much. How come it's OK for Elliot (the guy who is supposed to care for her) to upset Padma, just to make himself feel better? Women don't have any obligation to provide guys with emotional punching-bags, or to act as unpaid therapists.
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Err ... what again ?!?!?
I assume that must be an example of the truely weird way asian people think, or sometimes think.
Because you execute there exactly that kind of weird logic that is found in this weird movie "Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon" where two lovers who are perfectly in love with each other, neither of them married, do not admit it to each other because of ... well I cant remember, it was some really weird social conventions. Some weird way to prove they are really in love with each other and it would be somehow "selfish" to admit it even if nobody benefits from this not admitting in the first place.
I didnt get that one too well, either.
But why again am I not supposed to tell a woman I'm in love with that I am, well, in love with her ?
And of course - Elliot doesnt tell Padma that he loves her because he wants to feel better. He has of course hope that she might love him back ! Thats why he feels better - he at least tried, even if he failed. I really cant see this as selfish. I think love is the most unselfish thing a person can do.
Paranoid:
Seriously? First off, Elliot may not feel better about finding out there was no chance with Padma now, but later he will appreciate it. As someone who's 'been there, done that' I'd like to think I speak from experience. Secondly, this is a good thing for Padma in the long run as well. Yes, she feels shitty now, but at least she's finally aware of her obliviousness and how it hurts people. Does anyone here remember strip 1906? Yeah. Anyway, back to Elliot: Yes I know Padma doesn't have romantic feelings for Elliot, but it's also obvious that she does have feelings of a friendship kind towards him. It seems to me her issue is less that she isn't in love with Elliot back and more about how she didn't notice his feelings earlier so she could defuse them safely. Finally, as Mr. Doctor pointed out, Elliot is capable of making his own decisions. Marten can give advice based on his perspective, but only Elliot is qualified to determine if that perspective applies in his case.
Ultimately, the situation is entirely of Elliot's and Padma's making. Elliot should have said something sooner, Padma shouldn't have been so oblivious, and now (thanks to Marten) they've both learned from their mistakes and can apply their new found wisdom to future situations as needed. Not exactly a win-win, but it's progress IMHO.
Nathanyel:
--- Quote from: Paranoid on 11 Oct 2011, 07:45 ---but at least she's finally aware of her obliviousness and how it hurts people. Does anyone here remember strip 1906?
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Also, #1865 and #1866
Carl-E:
--- Quote from: Mr. Doctor on 11 Oct 2011, 07:19 ---I think that dude (Elliot) is big enough to have his own decisions.
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This is not about his size... :lol:
--- Quote from: snubnose on 11 Oct 2011, 07:42 ---
--- Quote from: Akima on 11 Oct 2011, 06:54 ---Oh yeah, that'll work :roll: - if Padma can turn her feelings on and off like light-switches. For a real person, not so much. How come it's OK for Elliot (the guy who is supposed to care for her) to upset Padma, just to make himself feel better? Women don't have any obligation to provide guys with emotional punching-bags, or to act as unpaid therapists.
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Err ... what again ?!?!?
I assume that must be an example of the truely weird way asian people think, or sometimes think.
Because you execute there exactly that kind of weird logic that is found in this weird movie "Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon" where two lovers who are perfectly in love with each other, neither of them married, do not admit it to each other because of ... well I cant remember, it was some really weird social conventions. Some weird way to prove they are really in love with each other and it would be somehow "selfish" to admit it even if nobody benefits from this not admitting in the first place.
I didnt get that one too well, either.
But why again am I not supposed to tell a woman I'm in love with that I am, well, in love with her ?
And of course - Elliot doesnt tell Padma that he loves her because he wants to feel better. He has of course hope that she might love him back ! Thats why he feels better - he at least tried, even if he failed. I really cant see this as selfish. I think love is the most unselfish thing a person can do.
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Wow, ... Wow. You really don't get it, do you?
1) It has noithing to do with being asian. It has more to do with respect for another person and their feelings. While you're right that he can hope for reciprocation, the negative fallout either way is a good reason not to tell her at this time. A few months ago would've been better, plans could have changed, less angst on Elliot's part, etc., etc. Or perhaps later, in a letter or phone call, or during a visit, when life has gone on a bit and both parties can laugh about it. True love is unselfish, but there are self serving versions too, and when unrequited, it's all in one person's head. How can that not be selfish, or at least, self centered?
2) Next time you "don't get" something, why not ask, rather than chalking it up to cultural stereotypes? Instead of expanding your understanding, all you did was display your ignorance. Don't do that. It makes you look bad.
wrwight:
So, I have to suggest panel 2 of 2031 for caption thread? It totally looks like Steve and Marten could be holding hands, and with (probably) sweet-tits in the background, that could make for some pretty good captioning..just sayin'.
Anyway, today's comic: We know Marten pretty well at this point. Are any of you surprised that he feels it's his fault? I personally would have to agree. Yes, Elliott can make his own decisions, but he has already made the same decision many many times, when he didn't tell her. Marten came along and encouraged him, and then he told. The difference in the equation is Marten. Now, Marten probably wasn't expecting it to go down the way it did, and so perhaps his real error was in how he gave his advice (i.e., he could have encouraged him to tell her as Carl-E suggested, more as an FYI, something like "I know it doesn't matter now, but I had a huge crush on you since..." rather than something that makes her feel like she should reciprocate). Then again, some girls would take the parenthetical suggestion above and feel just as awkward about it. It's all about the people, and Marten doesn't know these people all that well, so he was pretty unqualified to give advice.
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