Topic: WCDT 2081-85 (Christmas Week - Dec. 19-23, 2011) (Read 69858 times)

raoullefere · « **Reply #150 on:** 21 Dec 2011, 00:35 »

Quote from: Soulsynger on 21 Dec 2011, 00:18

Maybe Faye just needs to learn ... she seems hung up on ideas about relationships an inexperienced newcomer "traumatized" by Hollywood romances might have.
(Always struck me as odd that most of those lovey-dovey "flicks" seem to have a consensus about love needing some kind of huge romantic keyphrase or flower~y description to work out ... my love life so far has been evidence to the contrary.)

Such as "I love your smell"? (Meet Joe Black, I think) Could be trying to emulate some of those irrational oxytocin-based thoughts quix0te was talking about. And although I still think Faye's looking for a way to stop before it's too late, you may have a point. If she is thusly deluded, Faye probably doesn't realize that she's got to let the relationship mature a little (how long have they been dating now, comic time? A month or two? Three, tops?) before she can get beyond loving things about Angus to loving Angus himself. She's just now taking some baby-steps in that direction.

Which, I think, likely scares holy hell out of her. Because it's going to hurt even more to cut Angus loose than it did, after the fact, to give up on Marten. (At the time Faye rejected him, I think she was pretty much equally balanced between the pain of rejecting him and the pain of facing her fears. It was after she did some therapy that the former got stronger).

JonathanXS · « **Reply #151 on:** 21 Dec 2011, 01:21 »

Quote from: DonInKansas on 20 Dec 2011, 22:54

I would buy the Racist Murdercult CD.

What genre would that even end up being? Regardless, that would be an excellent band name.

iduguphergrave · « **Reply #152 on:** 21 Dec 2011, 01:30 »

Thrash metal or death metal, I suspect.

Delator · « **Reply #153 on:** 21 Dec 2011, 01:56 »

No, no...clearly J-Pop.

Mr_Rose · « **Reply #154 on:** 21 Dec 2011, 01:56 »

Nah. Fantasy Metal; all their tracks are about elves and dwarves and orcs and goblins and such hatin' on each other and never learning the True Meaning of Winterval.

snubnose · « **Reply #155 on:** 21 Dec 2011, 02:38 »

Quote from: JonathanXS on 21 Dec 2011, 01:21

Quote from: DonInKansas on 20 Dec 2011, 22:54
I would buy the Racist Murdercult CD.
What genre would that even end up being? Regardless, that would be an excellent band name.

Sounds like Black or Death Metal to me. Not that I would still remember the difference ...

Quote from: Mr_Rose on 21 Dec 2011, 01:56

Nah. Fantasy Metal; all their tracks are about elves and dwarves and orcs and goblins and such hatin' on each other and never learning the True Meaning of Winterval.

I checked and that kind of Metal is apparently called "Power Metal". Gothic (Metal) would also be possible.

VonKleist · « **Reply #156 on:** 21 Dec 2011, 03:05 »

HUm hum, was just wondering wether I should get my sister that new Racist Murdercult CD for christmas, it´s really good, or so i hear..

NotAwesomeAnymore · « **Reply #157 on:** 21 Dec 2011, 03:14 »

Being racist the same way seems like a really good reason to love someone actually. Surely it means you share similar values and the same cognitive biases? From my experience (and as can be logically deduced), racists have superiority complexes and don't like to be challenged - so what better than a partner who won't challenge you?

I think I may just have described codependency.

Emperor Norton · « **Reply #158 on:** 21 Dec 2011, 03:23 »

The whole talk of love as not an on/off switch reminded me of this

Mr. Doctor · « **Reply #159 on:** 21 Dec 2011, 03:30 »

Definitely a Thrash/Black metal band.

Soulsynger · « **Reply #160 on:** 21 Dec 2011, 03:51 »

Quote from: raoullefere on 21 Dec 2011, 00:35

[ ... ]If she is thusly deluded, Faye probably doesn't realize that she's got to let the relationship mature a little (how long have they been dating now, comic time? A month or two? Three, tops?) before she can get beyond loving things about Angus to loving Angus himself. She's just now taking some baby-steps in that direction.
[ ... ]

My point in a nutshell. Thanks.

And yet I am left wondering a little about how this comes off as a teeeeeeenie tiny bit out-of-character for Faye. Sure, she has her issues, but I'd never expected them to stoop down to the level of

"Oh, woe is me.
Is the love I have for him,
Enough of what he
deserves it to be?" (Flawless, sad dancing routine, stereotypical "Oh, my"-gestures like "back of the hand to forehead"... )

... seems kinda "schmaltzy c-movie flick"~ish... and for her thats not a fitting color. I would have thought her to get a little more sarcastic as she usually does in these situations...
(there is a comic I could link in which she makes that observation about herself... but I don't have the time to look through the archives right now oO)

LTK · « **Reply #161 on:** 21 Dec 2011, 04:15 »

What I'm wondering now is: Does Faye wonder if her love for Angus is enough for Angus, or for her? If it's the former, then she's asking the wrong person.

Soulsynger · « **Reply #162 on:** 21 Dec 2011, 04:28 »

Quote from: LTK on 21 Dec 2011, 04:15

What I'm wondering now is: Does Faye wonder if her love for Angus is enough for Angus, or for her? If it's the former, then she's asking the wrong person.

She might think its the latter, but really its the former. Or vice versa... either way she's confused and needs to stop wandering into directions there is no going back from. SERIOUSLY!

Jabberwocky · « **Reply #163 on:** 21 Dec 2011, 04:54 »

Quote from: AnAverageWriter on 20 Dec 2011, 00:36

Of note-

Marten STILL hasn't put on any pants.

Today makes seven consecutive strips, and counting. Nine, if you count 2074/2075 and ignore Yelling Bird.

Jeph's on a roll. I'm not expecting pants until January.

Near Lurker · « **Reply #164 on:** 21 Dec 2011, 05:08 »

What's wrong with loving someone because you're in their cult? As long as it's not a racist murdercult, that is.

jwhouk · « **Reply #165 on:** 21 Dec 2011, 05:43 »

Sign that you're too much of a "webcomic nerd":

I asked myself, "Hey, didn't Faye keep those cookies under the couch originally?"

AnAverageWriter · « **Reply #166 on:** 21 Dec 2011, 05:49 »

Quote from: jwhouk on 21 Dec 2011, 05:43

Sign that you're too much of a "webcomic nerd":
I asked myself, "Hey, didn't Faye keep those cookies under the couch originally?"

Not that the term is a BAD thing anymore...

Border Reiver · « **Reply #167 on:** 21 Dec 2011, 05:50 »

No, you're not a horrific wecomics nerd - at least not alone....

I recognized the Pepperidge Farm cookies as well. She's progressed enough now that she doesn't need to hide them at least.

lepetitfromage · « **Reply #168 on:** 21 Dec 2011, 06:04 »

Quote from: LTK on 21 Dec 2011, 04:15

What I'm wondering now is: Does Faye wonder if her love for Angus is enough for Angus, or for her? If it's the former, then she's asking the wrong person.

I don't think it necessarily has to do with who it's enough for, but I think she's looking for the "right" amount of love. As someone who hasn't really even gotten to this stage of a relationship before, Faye is trying to figure out the rules and regulations of this sort of thing because it's easier than facing your emotions and following your heart rather than your brain. When one doesn't know a lot about a certain subject, most people tend to search for answers as opposed to jumping in and bumbling around. What Faye needs to realize is that while that works with most subjects, love is not one of them.

Also, this whole situation makes me think of this:

raoullefere · « **Reply #169 on:** 21 Dec 2011, 10:51 »

Quote from: Soulsynger on 21 Dec 2011, 03:51

Quote from: raoullefere on 21 Dec 2011, 00:35
[ ... ]If she is thusly deluded, Faye probably doesn't realize that she's got to let the relationship mature a little (how long have they been dating now, comic time? A month or two? Three, tops?) before she can get beyond loving things about Angus to loving Angus himself. She's just now taking some baby-steps in that direction.
[ ... ]
My point in a nutshell. Thanks.

And yet I am left wondering a little about how this comes off as a teeeeeeenie tiny bit out-of-character for Faye. Sure, she has her issues, but I'd never expected them to stoop down to the level of

"Oh, woe is me.
Is the love I have for him,
Enough of what he
deserves it to be?" (Flawless, sad dancing routine, stereotypical "Oh, my"-gestures like "back of the hand to forehead"... )

... seems kinda "schmaltzy c-movie flick"~ish... and for her thats not a fitting color. I would have thought her to get a little more sarcastic as she usually does in these situations...
(there is a comic I could link in which she makes that observation about herself... but I don't have the time to look through the archives right now oO)

I agree. It's why I think she's looking for a way to sink the ship. That's completely in character.

DSL · « **Reply #170 on:** 21 Dec 2011, 11:20 »

Just had the thought of Faye and Marten coming back toward -- but never quite to -- each other.
In shipping context, two ships not passing in the night but forever circling in the fog, Marten's sonar pinging dutifully and Faye's wireless sending mixed signals.

Also, Butts Disease has spread to the refrigerator.

~~Schmorgluck~~ · « **Reply #171 on:** 21 Dec 2011, 11:57 »

Quote from: snubnose on 21 Dec 2011, 00:18

Well, as long as human beings are imperfect, human love is imperfect. We dont love others purely selflessly.

But as long as love also contains a spark of real love, it will grow and last.

Danke sehr!
I don't really often agree with you, and I often find the way you state your opinions is a bit off, or blunt, or awkward.
But here I fully agree with you and I find you worded it well.

As a guy who tends to put too much thought in such matters, I agree that you have to go with the flow. That is, without taking your SO as granted, either. But neither worrying all the time. Without becoming to passive of course.

Argh, I'm doing it again... I'm no better than Faye.

Quote from: JonathanXS on 21 Dec 2011, 01:21

Quote from: DonInKansas on 20 Dec 2011, 22:54
I would buy the Racist Murdercult CD.

What genre would that even end up being? Regardless, that would be an excellent band name.

I'd say it would fit a neo-punk band. Like names such as "Hitler's Cuddlytoys" or "Where did I put my Wife's Head?" or "Eaters of Strange Fruits"

...

I have a fertile imagination that breeds in all the wrong places...

sitnspin · « **Reply #172 on:** 21 Dec 2011, 13:45 »

I am no stranger to self-sabotage when it comes to relationships. In fact, for me it is the rule more than the exception. I recognize the signs when I see them (in others more often than in myself). Faye has something good here, she'll regret it if she fucks it up.

jwhouk · « **Reply #173 on:** 21 Dec 2011, 14:04 »

Quote from: SomeTentMakerFromTarshish

Love is patient and kind.
Love is not jealous or boastful or proud or rude.
It does not demand its own way.
It is not irritable, and it keeps no record of being wronged.
It does not rejoice about injustice but rejoices whenever the truth wins out.
Love never gives up, never loses faith, is always hopeful, and endures through every circumstance.

Soulsynger · « **Reply #174 on:** 21 Dec 2011, 14:40 »

Quote from: jwhouk on 21 Dec 2011, 14:04

Quote from: SomeTentMakerFromTarshish
Love is patient and kind.
Love is not jealous or boastful or proud or rude.
It does not demand its own way.
It is not irritable, and it keeps no record of being wronged.
It does not rejoice about injustice but rejoices whenever the truth wins out.
Love never gives up, never loses faith, is always hopeful, and endures through every circumstance.

The book of love is long and boring
No one can lift the damn thing
It's full of charts and facts and figures
and instructions for dancing

The book of love has music in it
In fact that's where music comes from
Some of it is just transcendental
Some of it is just really dumb

The book of love is long and boring
And written very long ago
It's full of flowers and heart-shaped boxes
And things we're all too young to know

...

... 'TIS THE SEASON, Y'ALL!

(Sorry, had to. Its late and these lovey-dovey-something-wrongey-arcs are never my favorite. ~~)

Tova · « **Reply #175 on:** 21 Dec 2011, 15:53 »

My interpretation of that song (the whole thing, not just the bits you quoted) is as an urging not to overthink things. Which is apropos.

“Grandma once told me it's easy to overthink love, to dissect it and question it until it is no more.”
― Ellen Hopkins, Impulse

Kugai · « **Reply #176 on:** 21 Dec 2011, 16:27 »

There are days I just want to smack Faye upside her head.

I think it's time she had another visit with Dr. Corrine - If she hasn't driver her nuts yet.

Tova · « **Reply #177 on:** 21 Dec 2011, 16:39 »

It's just as well we can't visit the QC characters - there would be a lot more cranial bruising.

jwhouk · « **Reply #178 on:** 21 Dec 2011, 17:08 »

Since the MOTY poll was moved to its own thread, I changed the poll to something more esoteric.

Tova · « **Reply #179 on:** 21 Dec 2011, 17:13 »

I was kind of disappointed that there wasn't an option after "They're breathing" labelled "They're not breathing".

Maybe I've spent too much time here.

iduguphergrave · « **Reply #180 on:** 21 Dec 2011, 17:27 »

Quote from: Andy147 on 21 Dec 2011, 14:21

Quote from: DSL on 21 Dec 2011, 11:20
Also, Butts Disease has spread to the refrigerator.

Along with "Faye Stop ..." something.

"Faye stop wasting post-its."

No I can't read that in-panel; I saw the close-up during the ustream.

cuzsis · « **Reply #181 on:** 21 Dec 2011, 18:06 »

Yes Faye... "loving" someone just so you aren't "alone" is codependent and not healthy. Good on ya for figuring that out.

Love is something that grows out of friendship.

Shared interests, similar lifestyles, similar ways of thinking and humor, are all things that frequently spark friendship. Both you and the other person become better people for your interactions with each other. You enjoy each others company, you learn from each other and your interactions lead you to seriously consider your opinions, ethics and morals in a more rounded fashion since you now have more than one view point to work from. You may possibly even change those opinions if the other person brings up good means to do so (and if you can be honest with yourself.)

At some point the friendship will start turning into love. Love happens when, after all your interactions, you can finally see the other person as someone who is in all honesty, just as important as yourself. A "second self" almost. You see their needs as important as yours, you care for them the same way you care for yourself. If both of you needed ItemX and there was only 1 ItemX, the idea of taking it for yourself is incomprehensible. You simply don't understand it, because you think of each other in terms of a unit and not two separate entities. The idea of the other person "going without" is as problematic as you going without and needs prompt solving.

That doesn't mean that you won't be frustrated or angry on occasion, since it is completely normal to be frustrated or angry with yourself too, after all. But you will still love them even when you feel like this, the same way you don't hate yourself when you are angry.

Beyond this, you may find in the end, that you take even better care of them than you do for yourself, as a way of thanking them for all they bring into your life.

Loki · « **Reply #182 on:** 21 Dec 2011, 20:04 »

Quote from: SomeTentMakerFromTarshish

Love is patient and kind.
Love is not jealous or boastful or proud or rude.
It does not demand its own way.
It is not irritable, and it keeps no record of being wronged.
It does not rejoice about injustice but rejoices whenever the truth wins out.
Love never gives up, never loses faith, is always hopeful, and endures through every circumstance.

Quote from: Shakespeare

Love is not love
which alters where it alteration finds
or bends with the remover to remove.
Oh no, it's an everfixed mark
which looks on tempests and is never shaken.
It is the star to every wandering bark
whose worth unknown although it's height be taken.
Yadda yadda, this is the truth because I said so.

Edit: cuzsis, I just reread your explanation and want to applaud you for it. Please accept one internet as a token of my gratitude.

St.Clair · « **Reply #183 on:** 21 Dec 2011, 20:47 »

It's such a... comfort to know that I can always come here and find people more messed up than I am.

~~cesariojpn~~ · « **Reply #184 on:** 21 Dec 2011, 21:57 »

Quote from: St.Clair on 21 Dec 2011, 20:47

It's such a... comfort to know that I can always come here and find people more messed up than I am.

We're not messed up.

Excuse me, I can't find my lead cookies.....hold on....

iduguphergrave · « **Reply #185 on:** 21 Dec 2011, 21:59 »

Marten, Faye, Y U SO CUTE TOGETHER??

But seriously Jeph knows how to pull our heartstrings, doesn't he? Good for Faye, realizing there's a significant possibility this is all in her head.

I wonder if Faye will go have a talk with Angus now? Or if she'll finally ask Marten why he was out in his underwear.

St.Clair · « **Reply #186 on:** 21 Dec 2011, 22:21 »

I meant the characters. Really.
<.< >.>

~~Schmorgluck~~ · « **Reply #187 on:** 21 Dec 2011, 22:32 »

When will Marten manage to get some sleep? Will he ever?

Soulsynger · « **Reply #188 on:** 21 Dec 2011, 23:09 »

Quote from: jwhouk on 21 Dec 2011, 17:08

Since the MOTY poll was moved to its own thread, I changed the poll to something more esoteric.

Curses, I need more checkmarks!

I don't think I can settle on just three here. Really can't. Always have to miss out on something basic between
Love you back
Funny
Smart
Nice Smile
Nice bod
Same worldview
Show interest
(Breathing)

@COMIC:
... damn, talk about a quick resolve. That was kinda anticlimactic.
(Marten must be getting really good at reading Faye if he can halt the wrecking train that is her self-conscious psyche all easy-like. °O )

... self-conscious psyche just gave me a split-personality / psychological sci-fi boner.

edit:

Quote from: Schmorgluck on 21 Dec 2011, 22:32

When will Marten manage to get some sleep? Will he ever?

I'm kinda waiting for the insomnia version of the tequila monster now.

Carl-E · « **Reply #189 on:** 22 Dec 2011, 01:28 »

Sleeeeeep Maaaaaaasneeeeeeesssssssssssssssssssssss...

Will we finally see Gary the pteradactyl?

I had a friend who used to write what he called tetra-dactyls, little poems of just four lines with four dactylic feet each line. It's a frighteningly catchy rhythm! The best was;

Golly, gee willikers, Marcus Aurelius,
slaying these Germans can be such a bore.
Being an emperor-soldier-philosopher
doesn't leave time to get laid anymore!

snubnose · « **Reply #190 on:** 22 Dec 2011, 01:46 »

Good comic !

Todays poll is problematic, i.e. the answer options are way incomplete.

I would say "they love you back" and "they show interest in you" are essential, otherwise there is no love there and it wont last anyway. A true lover will stand by your side, and if you're a true lover yourself, you'll want to do so with your partner, too. That includes showing interest in the other person. Sharing interests will make a partnership much more beneficial, too.

Aside from love itself, they also need to have the same basic lifegoals as you. People who are ambitious wont harmonize with a common slob. People who view moneymaking as a great way to spend your life wont harmonize a lot with people who seek for knowledge. I choose "worldview" as the closest match instead, but its really hardly the same.

Fourth thing is they are, well, how to put it ? Satisfying enough as a sexual partner. If there is no sexual tension between people, it will "only" be a friendship, not a partnership. There are several options which address this issue a bit - maybe "They're good looking." gets closest, or "Great in bed.", but of course neither is really true, because beautiful people can fall in love with ugly people. I would guess "They can turn me on." would be a rather precise description.

Soulsynger · « **Reply #191 on:** 22 Dec 2011, 02:34 »

Quote from: snubnose on 22 Dec 2011, 01:46

Fourth thing is they are, well, how to put it ? Satisfying enough as a sexual partner. If there is no sexual tension between people, it will "only" be a friendship, not a partnership. There are several options which address this issue a bit - maybe "They're good looking." gets closest, or "Great in bed.", but of course neither is really true, because beautiful people can fall in love with ugly people. I would guess "They can turn me on." would be a rather precise description.

Jesus, talk about distillating things down. Well done, Sir. My hat to you.

Way incomplete poll is thought-provoking. °O

NotAwesomeAnymore · « **Reply #192 on:** 22 Dec 2011, 02:57 »

Quote from: snubnose on 22 Dec 2011, 01:46

Aside from love itself, they also need to have the same basic lifegoals as you. People who are ambitious wont harmonize with a common slob. People who view moneymaking as a great way to spend your life wont harmonize a lot with people who seek for knowledge. I choose "worldview" as the closest match instead, but its really hardly the same.

Whaaaaaat. You can't just say that. What do "ambitious" and "common slob" even mean? A person who enjoys a relaxing job which allows them to pursue their hobbies isn't necessarily considered ambitious, but I don't see how that makes them incompatible with an ambitious person. Ambitious people are competitive. Have you ever had to compete with your partner so you felt worthy of dating them? It suuuuuuucks.

It's counter-intuitive for an ambitious person to date a relaxed person, since it sounds a bit like dating someone "worse" than you to feel happy. However, it's not about being better or worse, it's about the fact that the relaxed person doesn't care, and nullifies the competition - nobody feels insecure or needs to make the other feel bad. I'm not in favour of one pairing over another, just offering another perspective.

Quote

beautiful people can fall in love with ugly people

I think ambition, money and knowledge are almost as superficial qualities as beauty when it comes to romance.

AnAverageWriter · « **Reply #193 on:** 22 Dec 2011, 03:03 »

A thought about the "breathing" option in the poll...

Does one have to still breathe to maintain that those around me who loved me still do?

An eternal love, built over a lifetime... does it end when one dies? Surely the memories may fade away, but does not one still love the deceased, still have the person in one's mind?

Must one still breathe in order to be held in regards?

When I moulder away after my final hours, that is a fear I hold- to be forgotten, to drift into whatever bleak blackness awaits me, what hell I should endure eternally if I have a soul to be damned, without the prospect of being remembered when I'm gone.

When I cease to breathe, the life I left behind, does it still maintain, or does the world where I lived simply disregard, forget me and continue its clockwork cycle?

Are we gears, to turn, fail, be replaced, tossed aside and forgotten?

Graves of the forgotten I often see- lives that slipped away and now bear weeds...

pwhodges · « **Reply #194 on:** 22 Dec 2011, 03:17 »

Quote from: snubnose on 22 Dec 2011, 01:46

Aside from love itself, they also need to have the same basic lifegoals as you. People who are ambitious wont harmonize with a common slob. People who view moneymaking as a great way to spend your life wont harmonize a lot with people who seek for knowledge. I choose "worldview" as the closest match instead, but its really hardly the same.

Without picking out the particular reason, it appears that from your perspective my 18-year-long marriage is doomed. (My first marriage would have seemed more compatible to you - that did indeed make it to 22 years, but then fell apart.)

Skaltura · « **Reply #195 on:** 22 Dec 2011, 04:11 »

Marten Reed - on a fucking roll.

Getting laid and giving love advice, like a baws.

And still no pants!

DrPhibes · « **Reply #196 on:** 22 Dec 2011, 04:13 »

i voted the breathe one. Now that I think about it I feel I voted: "I'll fuck anyone who's breathing."

Black Sword · « **Reply #197 on:** 22 Dec 2011, 06:21 »

Marten is a total bro.

Quote from: DrPhibes on 22 Dec 2011, 04:13

i voted the breathe one. Now that I think about it I feel I voted: "I'll fuck anyone who's breathing."

You're just being very generous with your love, that's all!

TinPenguin · « **Reply #198 on:** 22 Dec 2011, 07:18 »

Quote from: DrPhibes on 22 Dec 2011, 04:13

i voted the breathe one. Now that I think about it I feel I voted: "I'll fuck anyone who's breathing."

Hell, I feel like that sometimes. Finding someone that is still breathing in my sleepy old town is difficult.

celticgeek · « **Reply #199 on:** 22 Dec 2011, 07:34 »

Though lovers be lost love shall not;
And death shall have no dominion.

-Dylan Thomas

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What IS a good reason to love someone?

Author Topic: WCDT 2081-85 (Christmas Week - Dec. 19-23, 2011) (Read 69858 times)

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