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WCDT 2101-2105 (January 16-20, 2012) - A New Hope
Vista:
--- Quote from: Tova on 16 Jan 2012, 14:00 ---(Wall of short responses to other posts.)
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Too long but did read.
--- Quote ---He's not being ragged on for not being a doormat - he is in fact being ragged on for not taking responsibility for his own emotions, and instead acting with a victim mentality. It's not about being the "decent" one, it's about taking care of himself.
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Actually, from what I've seen Marten generally doesn't act with a victim mentality; only when he's been run-around or antagonized to the point of depression.
--- Quote ---He doesn't have to be a saint. Be serious.
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It's true, he doesn't. The other characters treat him pretty well until those times he seems to be filled with self-hatred or passive-aggression. Of course, he has mostly treated them well even when they have the same issues, but they do not require him to.
--- Quote ---I think that's all I can cope with for now. :roll:
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:roll:
--- Quote ---You know, you can cut up Faye's response to that in any way you like, but there is no defending a pathetic statement like that. It's exactly the victimhood mentality Marten needs to lose. Yet in spite of that, everyone is obsessed with Charlie bloody Brown and him being a doormat. I have been trying to ignore the whole sexism debacle, but I do wonder what the reaction would have been if Angus or Sven had told him exactly the same things. Seriously.
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Wut?
No defending a pathetic statement, for a guy who's clearly in the dumps? It's certainly pessimistic, but you think he meant absolutely meant it? You think if he wasn't a doormat, a lot of his problems wouldn't go away?
And I think the reaction towards Angus or Sven might be worse, since they aren't really his friends. Most people here are just averring that Faye is factually wrong, bemoaning that he's surrounded by people (the women and Steve) who constantly judge him and think they know what's best for him, and think of Faye is a hypocrite (though I don't personally see how it matters).
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Man, it took me like two minutes.
Armadillo:
--- Quote from: Tova on 16 Jan 2012, 14:27 ---
--- Quote from: Armadillo on 16 Jan 2012, 14:21 ---Angus and Sven aren't Marten's "best friends," so you'd expect different reactions.
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OK, let me rephrase that to "if Faye were male." And yes, I realise that you can't just make a change like that and keep the rest of the situation constant, so let me just spell it out - I think that the fierceness of the reaction against what Faye has done is largely the way it is because she is female. There. I've said it. Consequences be damned.
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Oh, baloney. Nobody has said anything even resembling that. The "fierceness of the reaction" is because Faye's coming off like a heartless beast instead of a friend.
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--- Quote from: Armadillo on 16 Jan 2012, 14:21 ---I, and many others here, are jumping off on the constant abuse Marten takes at the hands of those who are supposed to be his loved ones. Yes, your friends and family are supposed to get you out of feeling sorry for yourself, but sometimes you just need a day or two to freakin' MOPE, ya know? With Marten though, there is NO TIME ALLOWED FOR MOPING, and instead of a goddamn HUG or "I'm sorry you're hurting. Want to talk about it," which is what most people get, he gets nailed with being called "an asshole" and "a pissy little bitch" in THE SAME CONVERSATION with someone who is supposedly HIS BEST FRIEND.
As has been pointed out, this was done ostensibly to get him to be more active in his destiny, but every single time he's done that, he's gotten belittled or punched in the face, or humiliated in front of his friends, and on and on and on. I agree that he needs to get himself out of this rut and establish more goals for his life, but you can only watch a guy get gang-jumped so many times before you start feeling well and truly sorry for him, fictional character or not.
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He's not moping, he's being a victim and giving up. Big difference. He gets support when he needs it, and right now this is the support he needs.
Gang-jumped? Could you be any more dramatic? :psyduck:
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I certainly could have. How else would you describe no fewer than five people (Faye, Dora, Elliot, Ms. Reed, Steve) all coming down on him like a ton of bricks over the past year or so?
NightmarePhoenix:
--- Quote from: Tova on 16 Jan 2012, 14:27 ---I think that the fierceness of the reaction against what Faye has done is largely the way it is because she is female. There. I've said it. Consequences be damned.
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You are a brave soul and I respect your commitment to your opinion.
pwhodges:
--- Quote from: Armadillo on 16 Jan 2012, 14:34 ---How else would you describe no fewer than five people (Faye, Dora, Elliot, Ms. Reed, Steve) all coming down on him like a ton of bricks over the past year or so?
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It's a story; of course teh drama makes a disproportionate appearance. Each of those incidents probably lasted no more than a few minutes out of the couple of months that have passed.
Armadillo:
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--- Quote from: Armadillo on 16 Jan 2012, 14:34 ---How else would you describe no fewer than five people (Faye, Dora, Elliot, Ms. Reed, Steve) all coming down on him like a ton of bricks over the past year or so?
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It's a story; of course teh drama makes a disproportionate appearance. Each of those incidents probably lasted no more than a few minutes out of the couple of months that have passed.
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You know, if you keep pointing out that this is a fictional story with fictional people in a fictional universe, you're REALLY going to suck the fun out of this place. :-D
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