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WCDT 2101-2105 (January 16-20, 2012) - A New Hope
Milesb:
--- Quote from: NightmarePhoenix on 16 Jan 2012, 15:23 ---So wait, because you feel like Faye 'picks' on Marten, what she said is harsh and makes her a lame friend, but the same words coming from someone else means that Marten has to be acting like a dick? That's a little unfair towards her. Faye has always been sorta a rough person, its how she is and there are several times when she comes out and says "hey, I'm kinda an ass, sorry about that." but she doesn't needlessly browbeat him or harass him past playing around. And messing around with him like that doesn't mean when, for some reason, someone needs to smack him around that if Faye says it, she's just being mean.
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What I meant, if not what I said in regards to my difference in reading the situation is this:
In a comic, despite the text and the facial expressions, it can be hard to intuit the tone and meaning of a character's dialogue, and for this reason the relative nature of the characters has to come into play when we fill in the gaps in our heads.
When Faye, who has a long history of physical and verbal abuse towards Marten - When she berates Marten, I don't assume it's necessarily justified by Marten's actions because it is in Faye's character to act abusively on occasion.
When for example Hanners has ever snapped at Marten, it has had a much greater implication of genuine justification based on Marten's actions because Hanners does not have a long history of physical and verbal abuse towards him.
it's almost "little boy who cried wolf" - Between Faye, Steve and Dora's general attitude of browbeating, the times when Marten may have deserved it have got lost.
My point is that when a character who does not usually ever harass Marten gets angry at him and tells him he's wrong, I'm more likely to take it seriously than when a character who harasses him regularly gets angry and tells him he's wrong.
Is that bad of me?
I mean, doesn't everyone do this?
Edit: Also, I wasn't talking about Faye specifically in my original post, I was talking about Faye, Steve or Dora, as they are the three that use Marten as their punchbag the most often.
NightmarePhoenix:
--- Quote from: Milesb on 16 Jan 2012, 16:03 ---Edit: Also, I wasn't talking about Faye specifically in my original post, I was talking about Faye, Steve or Dora, as they are the three that use Marten as their punchbag the most often.
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I'll agree with Steve, lately he's been kind of a jerk but I feel like its generally because he keeps hearing Marten complain about things going well. Dora.... her and Marten had their falling out, she's probably had maybe like one episode of being dickish towards Marten in the last couple hundred pages. Faye... Faye has been way better than earlier in the comic. She's been there for Marten when he needs it alot, defensive of him even while drunk, and has even had near out of character moments of wisdom for Marten(#1951). I mean, yeah she used to really mess with him alot, but she hasn't in a while...like a long while. Unless you count the petnames of 'buttpoop' and such, what has she done to Marten that makes her so mean? Why does it sound like everyone thinks Faye is a bully, who's barely his friend?
NotAwesomeAnymore:
Just fo the record, I was one of the people who thought some of the Padma complaints were sexist, because they characterised her as manipulative when we have no evidence of that. I don't think the Faye-hate is sexist though. I just don't see it. She and Marten aren't involved and she's basically one of the guys. Tova retracted it anyhow, just my 2-cents.
Omega Entity:
On the Padma thing, honestly she just strikes me as a bit of a flake that doesn't think before she speaks a lot of the time. I think it's really a matter of a combination of that and obliviousness to how her words can be taken.
Is it cold in here?:
--- Quote from: BoDJangles on 16 Jan 2012, 16:12 ---I don't think that's unfair, Milesb, no. Faye is a pretty awful person. I can't remember the exact words, but didn't Mr. Jacques himself once say that if Faye existed in real life he wouldn't want anything to do with her?
I'm probably in the minority in here, because I'm enjoying the heck out of recent events. I don't like Marten :mrgreen:
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