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WCDT 2101-2105 (January 16-20, 2012) - A New Hope
Interlude:
--- Quote from: Marfo on 16 Jan 2012, 10:30 ---I suspect that a talk with Dora, Hanners, or Angus will allow her to see that she wasn't right in this case.
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The problem is that this will never happen. In my opinion, at least, Faye (almost) always gets to walk away thinking that she is in the right with everything she does or says. I'm not going to say that she is completely "toxic" to him, but I totally agree that we sometimes have people in our lives that pull us back or keep us down when we are trying to progress and/or break out of unhealthy behaviors. Usually this is not intentional. It doesn't make the other person a "bad person." It just means that what people need out of relationships/friendships change, but the people in our lives are not going to automatically change accordingly.
I do think Marten needs a kick in the pants, but I don't think that what Faye said was a HELPFUL kick in the pants. It was just hurtful and not really based on anything. Yes, he probably DOES feel like he is wasting his life. Is this all because of or related to Padma? No way! He was already feeling that way. His decision for how to handle things with Padma-- a relationship that never really took off and was confusing for him from the beginning-- was him trying to do something different. Learning and making mistakes is not a waste and will hopefully help him grow as an individual.
It will be harder for him to do that if every time he does make a decision one or another of his friends makes him feel horrible for it. Marten is a nice guy. It isn't fair to imply that he isn't decent because of this situation.
Dr. ROFLPWN:
--- Quote from: FrozenPeas on 16 Jan 2012, 11:11 ---"Have you ever been to the New York Legislature, Mr. Hancock? Everyone speaks very loud and very fast, and no one listens to anyone else, and so nothing ever gets done."
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....I think you may understand what I was saying, sir, and I tip my metaphorical hat to you
--- Quote from: Carl-E on 16 Jan 2012, 07:23 ---OK, here's a thought for all the "Marten did the right thing" folks.
If it's right, why the bitter acrimony? Why the self loathing? Why does he feel like he was being an asshole (his words, not Faye's)?
He should have seen Padma one last time, to talk. To say goodbye to a person who'd opened up to him. To ask what had happened that she decided to step back. I think her call to "hang out" was at least partly her wanting to talk, to explain, to seek some kind of resolution for/with this guy she'd inadvertantly hurt by her own bad choices. To understand a potential friend a little better.
It didn't need to be a roll in the hay, and maybe he wouldn't be feeling so much self loathing right now that he goes and gets Faye to metaphorically whack him upside the head (it really was self inflicted, if you think about it).
To carry the metaphor someone started, he didn't need to try kicking the football again, OR to ignore it. The football was never the issue. he needed to have a heart-to-heart with Lucy. It may not have worked out, but maybe he'd find out what the hell she was thinking, and not hate himself so much for his actions!
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Carl I'd like to offer you a metaphorical drink because what a fantastic post that is being roundly ignored for not fitting the all-important party line
Is it cold in here? I was remiss in the last thread in not congratulating you as well as Mr. Hodges for your tireless, thankless, constant moderation efforts; that was wrong of me and I do recognize your work :( I hope you will forgive my mistake, and I envy neither of you gentlemen, you keep this forum existing at all, I am fairly certain
Anyway, I'm taking up important time that could be used for echo chamber so I believe I bid you adieu!
TinPenguin:
--- Quote from: Interlude on 16 Jan 2012, 11:13 ---I do think Marten needs a kick in the pants, but I don't think that what Faye said was a HELPFUL kick in the pants. It was just hurtful and not really based on anything.
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I have this to say: she owned him pretty hard, but giving a supportive kick in the arse isn't about delivering ownage. The idea is that the kick should spur the friend into positive action, not knock the wind out of them and leave them deflated.
Omega Entity:
--- Quote from: snubnose on 15 Jan 2012, 23:52 ---... one can dream. Personally I find Padma as a black clone of Dora who is quite dim at times very annoying.
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Odd thing to fixate on, but I thought Padma was Indian? At least that's what the facial traits and name came off as to me. Plus, Indian culture is extremely family-centric, as well, even for many families living in other cultures.
Kugai:
I definitely think Faye gave Marten the proverbial kick he needed at this stage.
Not that I'm saying Padma isn't without fault here, but I get the feeling that our little Indian Dora Clone has her own issues - probably just as bad as Dora - But Marten sometimes gets my goat as he acts like such a passive milquetoast sometimes. He really should have taken the high ground and confronted Padma about the whole thing rather than letting it fizzle like this. Sometimes I wonder if he squeaks and likes cheese the way he acts.
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