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Starship Troopers movie, maybe book too
J:
--- Quote from: Mr_Rose on 04 Feb 2012, 10:57 ---Yeah, see "I didn't like the bits of the book Idid read so I'm going to parody the bits I made up to fill in for the stuff I didn't read" is a pathetic explanation for anything, never mind such an appalling treatment of a much-loved source.
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well i'm not sure what you'd have him do given the situation. if they were wrapping up pre-production, then that means the sets, props, costumes, effects, and script were all finished or very close to it, the crew and actors were hired, and everything was scheduled to begin. given that, the only reasonable options would be to either put the whole project on hold for weeks or months while the script is completely rewritten and everything else adapted to fit, or just make the movie he was already making, with a few names changed and a few mocking shout outs to the book.
anyway, i think the movie is less a satire of the book then of american imperialism and military culture in general, just like robocop was a satire of american consumerism and corporate culture.
Akima:
--- Quote from: Mr_Rose on 04 Feb 2012, 10:57 ---Yeah, see "I didn't like the bits of the book Idid read so I'm going to parody the bits I made up to fill in for the stuff I didn't read" is a pathetic explanation for anything, never mind such an appalling treatment of a much-loved source.
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The novel Starship Troopers is probably as much hated as admired. Personally I think it's well worth reading despite the rather young-adults style lingering from Heinlein's earlier work. It is ironic though, considering how often the Bugs have been interpreted as representing Communist China (though Heinlein never said so), that his idea of civil rights and privileges arising from service to the state is very Confucian.
Is it cold in here?:
Heinlein studied Chinese history, though that may have been after he wrote Starship Troopers.
Any objection if I split the Starship Troopers discussion into a separate thread in Enjoy?
Kugai:
Seconded
zmeiat_joro:
--- Quote from: Black Sword on 03 Feb 2012, 09:51 ---RE: Verhoeven's film
I honest to God loved it for being a mindless action flick. It led me to Heinlen's far superior book, which tempered my enthusiasm. I cannot imagine the sort of spite it takes to go out of your way to license something specifically to give it a middle finger larger than Mount Everest.
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I had read the book before the film, as an even younger teenager, and wasn't very impressed. While the film was hilarious. I like most of Heinlein's other stuff more. I did miss the depiction of powered armor and the shooting them out of a spaceship stuff, which was probably the only significantly interesting thing in the novel for me. But the film more than made up for it, and I don't know if it would have worked well with the message of the film if you included powered armor, I don't think they should have included it just for the sake of it.
Em, regarding some other comments I see here, I didn't see anything particularly mocking of _America_ about it. And I'm European. I saw it as mocking totalitarianism, showing Americans how totalitarianism would look like in their culture, translating if you will to American visual and cultural tropes the underpinnings of totalitarianism, to show them what an American totalitarian regime's propaganda would look like.
NOTE: moved this here from WCT after noticing Is it cold in here?'s comment.
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