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Welu:
The World's End. Genuinely favourite film I've seen in the cinema this year.
ackblom12:
Just watched the Evil Dead remake. I have some conflicted feels about this movie, but I think it was quite good for the most part.
First, I wasn't upset by the idea of them remaking this, but it was going to be tough considering the modern horror landscape. A big part of the love for the Evil Dead movies was the subversion of horror tropes and the quality of mockery that was applied while not actually sacrificing the level of horror. They instead went for a more straight faced style of horror which was well done, and i suspect a wise idea considering what ruins most remakes is that they seem pointless. There's usually little to nothing changed and its just a clearer picture with worse actors. In this case, it at least set itself apart a bit by taking it's own interpretation and running with it, not even bothering to compete with the same kind of quality of the original. I also greatly appreciated that 99% of the special fx were practical fx.
However, it still has a lot of the problems that bother me about the horror genre, my absolute favorite genre I might add, namely issues with how it portrays women and what happens to them. While the character of Eric was practically a running gag with how often he got stabbed with various objects, there is still that uncomfortable difference in how the violence is applied and presented to the characters dependent on their gender. The most obvious case being the return of the rape tree.
I still can't quite believe they brought back the rape tree.
Well, I can believe it, and the fact that it was applauded by the incredibly creepy fan base, but there's no fucking excuse for it. Sam Raimi took it out of Evil Dead 2 because he grew the fuck up, it should have stayed out. It was a detail that honestly made me enjoy the movie less than I could have.
Overall though, it is a good horror film, but it's flawed in ways that mostly don't have anything to do with the level of talent. It's almost entirely due to the fact that some of these tropes involving women still exist in 2013.
Blue Kitty:
I just watched Pacific Rim and holy crap it was a lot better than anything I ever expected.
TheEvilDog:
--- Quote from: ackblom12 on 24 Jul 2013, 20:37 ---Just watched the Evil Dead remake. I have some conflicted feels about this movie, but I think it was quite good for the most part.
First, I wasn't upset by the idea of them remaking this, but it was going to be tough considering the modern horror landscape. A big part of the love for the Evil Dead movies was the subversion of horror tropes and the quality of mockery that was applied while not actually sacrificing the level of horror. They instead went for a more straight faced style of horror which was well done, and i suspect a wise idea considering what ruins most remakes is that they seem pointless. There's usually little to nothing changed and its just a clearer picture with worse actors. In this case, it at least set itself apart a bit by taking it's own interpretation and running with it, not even bothering to compete with the same kind of quality of the original. I also greatly appreciated that 99% of the special fx were practical fx.
However, it still has a lot of the problems that bother me about the horror genre, my absolute favorite genre I might add, namely issues with how it portrays women and what happens to them. While the character of Eric was practically a running gag with how often he got stabbed with various objects, there is still that uncomfortable difference in how the violence is applied and presented to the characters dependent on their gender. The most obvious case being the return of the rape tree.
I still can't quite believe they brought back the rape tree.
Well, I can believe it, and the fact that it was applauded by the incredibly creepy fan base, but there's no fucking excuse for it. Sam Raimi took it out of Evil Dead 2 because he grew the fuck up, it should have stayed out. It was a detail that honestly made me enjoy the movie less than I could have.
Overall though, it is a good horror film, but it's flawed in ways that mostly don't have anything to do with the level of talent. It's almost entirely due to the fact that some of these tropes involving women still exist in 2013.
--- End quote ---
I liked the original series for many of the reasons you mention. It took tropes and conventions and turned them on their head while someone got looked in the cellar and did a creepy Linda Blair impression.
And then the sequels took it even further (If anyone thinks Army of Darkness is a terrible film, I will judge you now and forever).
I will not be watching the remake. I will steer clear of it like Ash Williams' demonically possessed right hand. Why? Because I am sick of remakes that miss the point of the originals and go the opposite way. As well that, no one nowadays seems to know when to let a good series rest. And it always means the new film sucks.
Even worse is that Raimi hinted that the seventh film will merge Ash's and Mia's respective storylines.
I give up.
Welu:
I think the Evil Dead remake is what Raimi would have made the first time if he had the money and resources. The first Evil Dead was campy because of its budget and the time period it was made and Raimi ran with it. I'm glad he did, I love 2 and Army of Darkness, they are great and funny films. The first film though was intended as a straight horror. The remake seems to take the most from it and is also intended as a straight horror.
Actually here's what I said when I saw it in the cinema.
--- Quote from: Welu on 25 Apr 2013, 12:13 ---Saw the new Evil Dead. Someone on Twitter, can't remember who, summed it up pretty well: "Well, that sure was Evil Dead."
Was entertaining. Go as far as to say a remake/reboot done right.
--- End quote ---
Yeah, I'm sticking with that opinion.
Also I just came back from Pacific Rim. Loved it. Big, action spectacle film that should raise the bar for any that think it is okay to have sub-par acting, dialogue, story, etc because, "It's action so just turn your brain off to watch it." It's even full if tropes and cliches but they're used so well. Loved it.
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