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Stephen:
It will probably start a flame war and if it does I apologize but I have to say it. I have to put it out there. Can we please see some growth with Marten as a character? He was the first character introduced complaining about his life and deciding to go out and do something about it. Since then he has been the same passive aggressive mess. He's just gained the ability to go from a passive aggressive coward to a passive aggressive jerk and back again. I mean... when Tai said she was just going to go for it before Dora had a chance to psyche herself out that would have been a pretty good moment for Marten to stand up for himself and tell her to just wait one day so she isn't a neurotic mess out of respect for their friendship or at least respect for Dora. Or before that he could have just refused to tell her anything about the conversation. Not even telling her to give Dora space and letting Tai say that one of the interns told her they'd been there. Could we please start to see Marten stop being a spineless jellyfish instead of him being a device to move the storyline along? At this point I'd rather you switch him with Tidus from FFX. They're both secondary characters and both annoying but at least Tidus had SOME growth along the way. I considered myself a Marten fan but... I'd prefer Tidus at this point. That's how bad this character has gotten. Write him out of the story for a year or something. Send him on a trip to find himself like Captain America when a Republican is in office. Do something with him, please.

Is it cold in here?:
Restarting the band is a step in the right direction for him.

Notice, though, that it's only in regard to his own welfare that Marten is passive. Look how he defended Hannelore when Clinton was in full creep mode.

Boxilar:
Ah yes. The old "Marten is a spineless jellyfish/coward/manatee" post dumped completely off topic in an unrelated thread.  :mrgreen:

He has grown though. People don't change overnight. He's slowly taking on more responsibility at his job. He called Padma and checked up on her. He also hit on Lt. Potter. He went down in flames, but he took the shot.

Marten is over Dora. He's done and moved on. (Plus the hot Padma sexings probably helped him put things in perspective) As Is It Cold points out, one of Marten's overall motivating factors is to see his friends happy.

I don't know if I could be as chill as Marten seems to be about an ex getting together with a friend, but apparently Marten is a bigger man than me. He's not being a jealous douche and doesn't think he owns another human being just cause they were screwing for awhile.

Tova:
I think Marten has developed slowly, and I expect that Jeph will give Marten some more substantial character development as the comic continues, but he won't become a different person overnight.

No flame war from me. Sorry.  8-)

Edit: My post feels a bit redundant after Boxilar's post, but meh.

Another edit: Come to think of it, the post does appear to be apropros of nothing whatsoever. Could I ask what triggered it? Or is it just a gradual buildup of frustration? Marten is not really the focus of the current plot arc, so I don't expect anything to happen with regards to him for a bit.

pwhodges:
(I split this out from the WCDT where it has no relevance, seeing as Marten's not even around.)


--- Quote from: Stephen on 23 Aug 2012, 21:30 ---It will probably start a flame war
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I hope you don't see the fact that we don't do flame wars here any more as a challenge - there's a word for that behaviour...

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