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WCDT: 2352-2356 (31 Dec. 2012-4 Jan. 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Barmymoo:
I think this discussion should go over to DISCUSS. Unfortunately just at the moment I am too furious to contribute rationally to it.
Skewbrow:
--- Quote from: Barmymoo on 03 Jan 2013, 03:50 ---This might be better in the DISCUSS forum but still...
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Agree that this belongs to DISCUSS. Mods?
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--- Quote from: The first article Akima linked ---Women are making the wrong choices early in their careers
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Now that, I find offensive. I am one of those women making a career choice that will lead to a fairly poorly-paid job, and hopefully I will be taking time out from that job in order to raise children. It is the right choice for me. I'm 100% behind the idea that women ought to be paid the same amount as men (and that traditionally "female" jobs like, for instance, midwifery, teaching, administrative work and shop work should be paid at an equal level to comparable "male" jobs like being a doctor, construction, being a solicitor and accountancy) but I find that sentence to be suggesting that it is women's own fault if they don't make a shitton of money because they made the wrong choice. I should not have to choose between doing a job I would be good at and enjoy, and having a decent wage.
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(bolded the "being a doctor" part as my comment is mostly about that)
There is a lot of variation country by country. I don't know about UK, but here a clear majority of doctors are women. Already about 30 years ago, when yours truly and his classmates were starting college. I attended some parties organized by the med students (well, I was dating one), and it was very evenly split, but the stats showed that female students had a majority. The development since has only strengthened this to the extent that I cannot remember, when I last had an appointment with a male doctor. Granted, I have only needed the services of GPs lately.
Math on the other hand... even that has changed since, but only to the extent that 90-10 split has become something 80-20. I discussed this with a Spanish colleague once. Over there it was that the medical profession was predominantly male, but at her math department they had a 50-50 split. Go figure? A possible explanation we came up with was the lack/presence of encouragement and/or positive role models for smart girls. There is some injustice here that usually boys are encouraged to pursue the specialty of their choice, but girls may not receive similar attention and positive feedback for doing the same (at the critical age, say junior high school or so).
It is up to we the parents, teachers, ..., to fix this last thing. The educated women can do their part as role models. That will help the young girls - in a generation or two.
Method of Madness:
--- Quote from: Skewbrow on 03 Jan 2013, 09:37 ---Agree that this belongs to DISCUSS. Mods?
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I would but some posts have stuff about both this topic and the comic itself, so it'd be tricky to split it off without interrupting one of the threads.
MillionDollar Belt Sander:
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--- Quote from: MillionDollar Belt Sander on 03 Jan 2013, 04:57 ---I'm sure there are women out there who are more than willing to work as a true equal, I just haven't met any. :)
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I have. Many of them. And my life is richer for it.
My goddaughter was a mechanic in the army, and is now working as a gunsmith (she's also now a mother).
One of my best friends in the theatre group works for DPA in cleanup, not to mention being a registered electrician (mainly so she can work the union theatrical lighting gigs).
Not only do they exist, they are more common than you'd think. Just 'cause you've led a sheltered work life...
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It may be a generational "thing" rather than a gender-specific thing. I understand there are thousands of women in the armed-forces who are HIGHLY educated in the mechanical and technical arts.
And it could also be a cost/HR thing as well. Those kick-ass true-equal women more than likely aren't working for $7.50 an hour in a plastic factory for 12 hours a day either. One assumes the good ones get hired up and retained at much higher wages at those hypothetical "really great places to work" that just don't exist in this region.
End result is the situation I have described. I freely admit that I have "yet" to meet these rare folks. I would LOVE to not have to watch my back in regards to pretend harassment charges. It would be a dream come true to no have to warn new coworkers about "that one lady over there reports everyone for menacing behavior" (except it's never been just one) and it would be an honor to work alongside someone who can do the same tasks that I can do without accommodation for icky-ness, odor, 'excessive' bending/lifting, or dozens of other oddly specific complaints.
MillionDollar Belt Sander:
I'm going to bow out of further discussion on this topic to avoid offending people further. My work experience, while far from unique is obviously radically different than what the rest of you have experienced.
Want to discuss it with me further lets take it to another thread or private messages please.
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