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Carl-E:
Unfortunately, it's not true.  My mother is 100% verifiably tone deaf.  She can't recognize the national anthem without the words.  No sense of rhythm, either.  My father's very musical, always playing and singing along with opera around the house. 

Their 4 boys (I'm the oldest) are split 2+2.  I and my youngest brother can sing and play instruments (he plays bass professionally).  The other two?  Not completely tone deaf, but they couldn't carry a tune if they had a bucket.  We've tried, for ages.  They can't hear themselves when they try to sing - I don't know if it's a mental block or an actual auditory or nerve problem, but they just can't hear themselves to match a pitch. 

So it's nice to think that anyone can sing, but it really isn't true. 

Barmymoo:
That's why I said very few people suck (actually I said "such", but I've edited it now). Tone deafness is real and I think it's genetic, but it's rarer than people think. A lot of people say "oh, I'm tone deaf" but what they mean is "I haven't ever been taught how to get my voice to replicate the sound I can hear in my head". Not the same thing. Some people are certainly more musical than others, but anyone who can hear music can sing better with practice.

Patrick:
The girl I'm kinda talking to swears up and down that she's a bad singer, and that couldn't be further from the truth. Those are the cases that bum me out more than tone-deaf people who think they can sing.

Thrillho:
You're one to talk, Pat.

Redball:
Thoughts on carrying a tune, in or out of a bucket:
My sense of pitch is pretty good. In a high school boys' chorus, I could take my whole section off pitch for a few seconds by singing a quarter-tone off, or even less. The teacher would look in our direction with a puzzled expression. But many years later, trying to learn a part, I used a tape deck and headphones. Clara gently suggested I stop singing as I listened. She had pitch problems, but she could tell that I was kind of toneless. I couldn't hear myself, I guess.
I never sang to my daughter  when she was little and she didn't have very good pitch as a child. When she was about 8, I read an article by a Detroit-area choir director in an Episcopal church with a men and boys' chorus. He said any child could learn to sing on pitch up to 10 or so. It was just about then that I noticed my daughter was able to carry a tune. She later sang in her college chorus.
Tonelessness is an interesting phenomenon. Some people don't come close. My wife seemed to carry a tune in the middle of her range, but couldn't seem to reach even a little. My first wife was worse. It would have been a pleasure to be able to sing with a spouse.

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