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WCDT: 2377-2381 (4-8 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Barmymoo:
Ah, the fact that the strip was changed explains the confusing title. Did the artwork change too? It seemed like it was maybe a little rushed - still good, but not the usual style.
xAmilli0n:
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--- Quote from: Delator on 06 Feb 2013, 07:14 ---Oh that's right, I forgot...somewhere between #461 and #1820 Marten's mom morphed into the most annoying bitch EVER.
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Oh, go easy on her. For as much embarrassment as kids provide their parents, it's only natural that as the kids age, the parents will try to embarrass their kids... My dad liked to try to embarrass me by trying to hook me up with girls similarly to what Marten's mom is trying to do in the current comic and in comic 1821.
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I mostly agree with Delator. There is embarrassment, and then there is callousness. What she did less than a week after a painful breakup was callous. If she did it before or a few months later, what she did would be amusing embarrassment, but it was directly after a painful and divisive experience. We've only seen this one strip, so I'll reserve judgment for now. Also, grandbaby yearning is funny.
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I disagree. I always saw it as her having fun embarrassing her kid, even after the breakup. Maybe Marten wasn't in the mood for it, but I don't think it was done out of malice.
Lubricus:
--- Quote from: Barmymoo on 06 Feb 2013, 14:31 ---Ah, the fact that the strip was changed explains the confusing title. Did the artwork change too? It seemed like it was maybe a little rushed - still good, but not the usual style.
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The art is the same, Jeph only changed some of the text.
calmcalamity:
I saw the original last night, and while I understand why Jacques felt like he needed to edit rewrite, I frankly don't feel it was necessary and has taken away from some of the context for whatever follows and was a better joke.
1. The title "Yougenics" no longer makes sense.
2. While the "Claire can't have kids" thing did cross my mind, it was a side thought, and in no way did I believe it to be the punchline. My first and primary thought was, "Wow, what is Marten's mom doing? What the...She's a bit off her nut, isn't she. The wedding must be getting to her, bad." It sets up that Veronica is going a bit loopy at the moment.
3. The reason I don't feel the current rewrite version is as good is because it's essentially a retelling of the same joke from the break-up arc. More importantly because it's was pre-established that Veronica is like that in general, it gives us a baseline. When comparing the original version, where she's coming out swing'n for grandchildren, to the "boyfriend material" thing it seems pretty tame and not at all out there. It's that she's essentially saying "I want you and my son to have children, tonight!" that is far enough from the norm that it's comedic and give's us an idea for just how off base Veronica's feeling right now.
I realize that this is essentially me telling Jeph how to do his art, and their's been enough of that going around that I don't wanna pile on, but I mean this only as constructive criticism, nothing more. For the most part I highly respect everything Mr. Jacques has done and how far he's come, and that he has every right to tell me and every other "fan" to kindly fuck off if we don't appreciate it, but I felt that because the re-edit was made because he was afraid of offending or hurting others I needed to speak my piece.
P.S.
WARNING, SHIPPING ACCIDENT AHEAD
(click to show/hide)Everyone seems to be either neutral or for "Maire", but where's the Clen/Svaire's? I don't know about y'all, but I wanna see Sven come back, and I feel like a relationship between those two would work for the direction of character development he's gone through. Like many others, I'm a fan of redemption stories: The Return of the Jedi, Bad Lieutenant: Port of Call New Orleans, Pinocchio. I feel like an arc where Sven takes things slow, as Claire would want to do (probably), and falls for someone who is so far from any of the previous women he'd been with is a great idea.
Econoclast:
That was weak. I much preferred the original strip. Not only did it pave the way for some really awesome development for Claire (an otherwise ditzy and irritating ancillary character), but it would've led to some truly compelling conflict between Marten, his mother, and Claire over a very real issue that transgendered women face. I thought the original had the potential to break new ground in the comic and really demonstrate the humanity of people in these situations. Instead, Jeph opted for the easy way out rather than being ballsy and taking risks. Sure, we've progressed enough that we can have a transgendered character, but god forbid we highlight the issues that transgendered people face -- somebody might get offended.
I can't say I blame Jeph for not wanting to take the risk. After all, this comic is his bread and butter and offending people means reduced readership, which means less money in his pocket. So while I disagree with the change as an artist, I understand the change as a professional. Instead, I blame the easily offended, politically-correct thugs who take a big, steamy dump all over artistic integrity.
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