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LTK:
I suppose it's one thing for someone to have an elevated mind sufficient to recognise that adults who identify as LGBT deserve the same respect as any other independent human being, but another if it regards the development of a child of whom you have no idea how he or she is going to turn out.
On the other hand, there's some evidence that it is easiest for children to blur (or simply erase) the lines between genders, since they have no biological imperative to behave one way or the other. It's for a reason that the physique of pre-teen children is mostly equal across sexes.
Valdís:
--- Quote from: LTK on 13 Apr 2013, 14:53 ---that adults who identify as LGBT deserve the same respect as any other independent human being
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--- Quote from: LTK on 13 Apr 2013, 14:53 ---but another if it regards the development of a child of whom you have no idea how he or she is going to turn out.
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Uh-huh.. Yeah.. "It's just a phase!". Pull the other one. It's not like this stuff appears out of the aether. Generally speaking it will be the case that the child is actually LGBT if such feelings are expressed (as opposed to crossdressing). An imprecise - as ability to express their feelings vary - divide being that some homosexual kids will sometimes "wish to be a girl/boy" because that seems to make sense to them for how they feel regarding their same sex and transgender kids will "feel they are a girl/boy". So despite that some young people may articulate their feelings imprecisely it isn't just something completely unrelated that you "grow out of".
I said "Possible daughter" for a reason. But in either case you don't talk about your kid like that.
(Edit: For example a trans* girl who is making her feelings known might say "I wish I was a girl.." too, but when expressed more clearly it's actually saying she wishes her body was more like the other girls and/or that she could be considered one of them.)
--- Quote from: LTK on 13 Apr 2013, 14:53 ---On the other hand, there's some evidence that it is easiest for children to blur (or simply erase) the lines between genders, since they have no biological imperative to behave one way or the other.
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Simply not true at all. If anything gender identity is felt much earlier than sexual orientation (biological imperative). Gender isn't just a friggin' social construct; it's already there. It's completely different that kids aren't as divided along gender-lines at that age, but the boys and girls playing with each other still distinctly feel their own gender.
LTK:
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--- Quote from: LTK on 13 Apr 2013, 14:53 ---that adults who identify as LGBT deserve the same respect as any other independent human being
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I'm saying that the person in the facebook post believes the former, not the latter.
As an aside, I can't be the only one who's sick of ellipses being used as passive-aggressive not-responses. Cut it out.
--- Quote ---Uh-huh.. Yeah.. "It's just a phase!". Pull the other one. It's not like this stuff appears out of the aether. Generally speaking it will be the case that the child is actually LGBT if such feelings are expressed (as opposed to crossdressing). An imprecise - as ability to express their feelings vary - divide being that some homosexual kids will sometimes "wish to be a girl/boy" because that seems to make sense to them for how they feel regarding their same sex and transgender kids will "feel they are a girl/boy". So despite that some young people may articulate their feelings imprecisely it isn't just something completely unrelated that you "grow out of".
I said "Possible daughter" for a reason. But in either case you don't talk about your kid like that.
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Insofar that gender identity can be expressed in early childhood, I believe you. But you're saying 'if such feelings are expressed' which is not applicable when all we have to go on is a single facebook post, and I was talking about this specific case. Do you take a boy saying "I like to wear dresses" to mean "I feel that I am a girl"? Neither of us is able to judge which is the case. Doesn't seem entirely relevant to the parent's attitude to their child's wishes, but still ought to be considered.
--- Quote ---Simply not true at all. If anything gender identity is felt much earlier than sexual orientation (biological imperative). Gender isn't just a friggin' social construct; it's already there. It's completely different that kids aren't as divided along gender-lines at that age, but the boys and girls playing with each other still distinctly feel their own gender.
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That I understand, but surely you can agree that changing the social construct can cause this behaviour without gender dysphoria being involved?
I think this because I'm reminded of the news stories of gender roles breaking down that seemingly don't involve kids' gender identity. Things like parents who consciously avoid walking their daughters straight to the pink aisle in the toy store, or the Austrian dad whose son enjoyed wearing skirts, whereupon he started doing the same.
Carl-E:
I'm sorry, one thing just jumped out at me from that post.
Referring to a transition as a "transgretion" (sic).
(also sick).
Words have meaning, and power, and even misspelled, I think the poster knows the meaning of transgression.
So much for being an "ally".
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