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WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Latias:
--- Quote from: Is it cold in here? on 17 Apr 2013, 11:41 ---Understood, but when discussing Clinton's experience of the transition, isn't that what it looked like to him?
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I can't speak on behalf of the community and I don't claim to represent it, but the way I see it, what you're saying is just wrong, and I'm not sure you understand. Way too much emphasis is placed on transition, people make a big deal out of what should be completely irrelevant. Claire isn't a "trans person", she's just a person. She may have been born with some male traits, physically, but that doesn't change who she is, or was, at all. She's just Claire, and she's always been Claire. Think of "transition" like, say, surgery for a heart condition - do you think of that person any differently because they had surgery for a heart condition? Presumably it doesn't even cross your mind. In the same way that surgery for a heart condition is a non-factor, "transition" should be a non-factor in your mind.
Valdís:
--- Quote from: Is it cold in here? on 17 Apr 2013, 11:41 ---A potential upside.
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Of course, wasn't saying otherwise, but it's in relation to pronunciation. So if it's the same in multiple languages it'd be like "Science" and "Vetenskap" both being represented by 科学 . Doesn't really say a pronunciation for either one, so doesn't help with Zoe's issue. It seems like a highly limited and overall negative upside when one could just learn the word "Science". I mean, I'm not all that good at Russian, but I can still easily get their alphabet to read signs and such. When I was down in Greece I got by okay too with trying to reverse engineer Cyrillic back to Greek.
But if you don't know a particular Hanzi/Kanji? :psyduck:
Zebediah:
--- Quote from: Latias on 17 Apr 2013, 12:21 ---I can't speak on behalf of the community and I don't claim to represent it, but the way I see it, what you're saying is just wrong, and I'm not sure you understand. Way too much emphasis is placed on transition, people make a big deal out of what should be completely irrelevant. Claire isn't a "trans person", she's just a person. She may have been born with some male traits, physically, but that doesn't change who she is, or was, at all. She's just Claire, and she's always been Claire. Think of "transition" like, say, surgery for a heart condition - do you think of that person any differently because they had surgery for a heart condition? Presumably it doesn't even cross your mind. In the same way that surgery for a heart condition is a non-factor, "transition" should be a non-factor in your mind.
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"Should be" and "is" are often two different things. What's being speculated upon here is not how Clinton should have thought about Claire, but how he actually thought about her.
Valdís:
--- Quote from: Is it cold in here? on 17 Apr 2013, 11:41 ---Understood, but when discussing Clinton's experience of the transition, isn't that what it looked like to him?
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If it did, he would've been wrong. Also I seriously doubt he'd look at it like that anymore at all, what-with being a good person and all. If he ever did in the first place.
Viewing coming out as a "Gender change" is quite egregiously wrong, to be honest, and at the root of a lot of transphobia.
--- Quote from: Zebediah on 17 Apr 2013, 12:37 ---What's being speculated upon here is not how Clinton should have thought about Claire, but how he actually thought about her.
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Not editing in this to my last post as intended, since it applies here too.
Neko_Ali:
I personally look on being transgender as a kind or birth defect. One that doesn't show up usually until later in life. Though more and more kids are feeling free enough to express themselves very early, and are blessed with parents who accept and help them, rather than repress. But like people with other birth defects, we get a lot of ridicule, bulling outright discrimination or hatred for something we never chose and had no control over. In some cases treatment and surgery can deal with the problem and allow the person to live what some people would call a 'normal' life. Or more accurately live in a way more comfortable to themselves. But if someone had their eyes fixed, or their hearing restored or their legs fixed, that doesn't change who they are. They aren't suddenly 'ex-cripples' as some people would rudely call them. They are just people. It's the same thing with trans people. We are just people. People who got dealt with this particular raw deal of birth. Transitioning doesn't change who or what we are. We don't go from 'male' to 'female' or vice versa.. or any other combination. We are just changing our outsides to be more in matching of who we really are.
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