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Thrillho:

--- Quote from: Method of Madness on 21 May 2014, 20:58 ---Why? And "it's not supposed to be" isn't an answer.

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There is putting your own spin on a character, and then sacrificing basically everything about a character completely nonsensically.

Examples of putting your own twist on a character:
- Nolan's Batman, which is gritty and noirish but still maintains the parents dead/doesn't use guns/life war on crime/struggles to keep life and Batman in check element
- Brainiac in the DCAU being from Krypton to add a different spin on the Brainiac/Superman war
- Mr Freeze in B:TAS

Examples of sacrificing the entire point of the character to 'put your own spin' on it:
- The Sylvester Stallone Dredd movie in which he takes off his helmet
- Man Of Steel, in which Superman indiscriminately destroys the entire world around him without once thinking about saving civilians (on camera)
- Deadpool showing up in Wolverine and then having his mouth sewn shut

Can you do dark Superman? Sure you can. You could probably even do dark Superman without sacrificing the character's core values.

But the question is why? What is the point in dark Superman? He's Superman. He's the big blue boy scout. That's his whole deal. If you're wanting to make a dark, realistic, gritty superhero movie, why did you choose the Truth, Justice and the American Way guy?

Method of Madness:
Good point. The DCAU Superman is easily my favorite Superman though in any TV/movie. Have any live-action Superman movies had anything as great as the "World of Cardboard" speech?

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cl_5UwS57X8
Actually, after I posted this, I had a thought. You know where the movie really fucked up? Pa Kent. But considering the Pa Kent they used, the way Superman turned out makes complete sense.

Thrillho:
Pa Kent's death scene in that movie may be the angriest a film has ever made me for its sheer, relentless stupidity.

Neko_Ali:
There have been Dark Superman stories before. But they work because they are such a counterpoint to the way he normally is. Like said, he's the Big Blue Boyscout. He does the right thing because it's the right thing to do. He has a strong moral code and he cares for the well being of others. He has to be, because he has equal potential to be a near unstoppable monster.

If Man of Steel hadn't been yet another retelling of his origin story, making it dark and gritty could very well have worked. An exploration of just what it would take to make Supes go all dark on people. And like I said, that has been explored in comics before. But re-imagining his entire story in the grim and realistic Nolan Batman style just doesn't work for the character. It brings him to far away from the character everyone knows from the comics, the character people expect to see. Making him unconcerned about the damage his battles cause, and killing people with his bare hands is to much a difference in character, that's a big part of why the movie was not well received. It would be as much a failure if they decided they needed to friendly up the next Batman movie and put him in a pastel batsuit, giving criminals a stern talking to while calling the police because private citizens shouldn't act as vigilantes....

Blue Kitty:

--- Quote from: Stan Lee ---I know I was looking for a new female superhero, and the idea of an intelligent Hulk-type grabbed me. …Never for an instant did I want her as a love interest for Hulk. Only a nut would even think of that
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