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WCDT: 2434-2438 (29 April-3 May, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread

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ZoeB:

--- Quote from: Zebediah on 30 Apr 2013, 04:29 ---Ah prejudice, it's a pain in the ass. Especially when it's your own prejudice that you're trying to overcome and you know you're behaving stupidly, but you still can't shake the automatic response.
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I've become aware of it through my own life experience. Not my personal situation, but I now mix with people I never would have before 2005.

Here's an exercise for those saying "Na, I don't rely on appearances to judge anyone". Two pictures. Before and after FFS.

Before:



After:



It's the same gal.

Until you can look at the first picture, and see behind the eyes the woman in the second, you won't Grok in Fullness. Until you can look at Gordon, and see Station - or Momo - behind the half-dozen eyes - you also will not Grok in Fullness. It's not easy.

--- Quote ---I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character.
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Xthform:

--- Quote from: bryntheskits on 30 Apr 2013, 01:57 ---
--- Quote from: Xthform on 29 Apr 2013, 23:42 ---If Scott Ramsoomair has the gale to write this comic http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=270 why can't Jeph make a comic where a pre op trans gender character has a relationship with a member of their current pre op sex.
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The last time something non-PC happened the extreme Tumblr feminist underbelly caught a wiff of it, came out and drove him to the drink which ended in him stabbing himself, and that was only because there was one of the characters had low self-esteem. What do you think they would do if he "insulted" them a second time?

In the end Jeph has the final say in what happens and all we can do is speculate and not insult him because you "don't see this arc going anywhere I want it to go."

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A story writer passionate about his stories wouldn't let militant extremists control the context of their work. I'm also not insulting him, I've been reading QC since the beginning loving almost every minute of it but I've noticed a sad tone here as I do with nearly every other webcomic I read. No one seems to want to do anything risque and it's becoming extremely depressing to see a remotely interesting plot ruined for you because you know the writer 9 times outa 10 isn't going to take the non PC route. Case in point was why I linked the VGcat comic. There are people out there who don't care about being PC and are mildly successful, I just wish Jeph was more like that.


--- Quote from: cesariojpn on 30 Apr 2013, 04:21 ---
--- Quote from: Xthform on 29 Apr 2013, 23:42 ---If Scott Ramsoomair has the gale to write this comic http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=270 why can't Jeph make a comic where a pre op trans gender character has a relationship with a member of their current pre op sex.

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If only Scott Ramsoomair would bother to POST a damn strip at least once a week instead of this wishy-washy schedule, perhaps your argument would hold some weight.

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Just because Scott doesn't update on a regular basis doesn't strip him of the fact that he isn't afraid to do something incredibly Non-PC so my argument is sound. Also if you want to get that kinda technical Jeph doesn't have a perfect update record either. I haven't seen Ryan and Lar over at Licd post a filler strip in sometime like 5 or 6 years? Despite going on con tours for months at a time.

pwhodges:

--- Quote from: Xthform on 30 Apr 2013, 05:19 ---There are people out there who don't care about being PC
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And there are people who care about how others are treated and treat each other, regardless of ideology.  Jeph is like that, and he will make his own choices without reference to us anyway (he only rarely glances at this forum).

Xthform:

--- Quote from: pwhodges on 30 Apr 2013, 05:57 ---
--- Quote from: Xthform on 30 Apr 2013, 05:19 ---There are people out there who don't care about being PC
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And there are people who care about how others are treated and treat each other, regardless of ideology.  Jeph is like that, and he will make his own choices without reference to us anyway (he only rarely glances at this forum).

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All I'm saying is Tolkien wouldn't have changed the Hobbit if some militant Christians started throwing bricks at his house for corrupting the minds of children with his books about magic (Much the same way Dungeons and Dragons caught alot of hate).

bhtooefr:
I think Xthform is actually referring to a different kind of PC than is normally used in the US context of people being "too PC", but still considering PC as a negative thing.

(For full context, a lot of rhetoric in the US considers using non-slur names and presenting minorities in a positive light, in the name of political correctness, to be pandering to those minorities, and therefore being PC is a bad thing (if you're a white cis straight God-fearin' all-'murrikan asshole male, anyway).)

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think Xthform is actually arguing that in reality, it's being PC to pander to the white cis straight Christian American male (abbreviated as WCSCAM from here, because screw all that typing) segment of the population, and being PC in that regard is a bad thing (which, IMO, it is). If I'm reading it right, he's also arguing that Jeph ends up being too PC in that definition, to prevent his audience from attacking him too much for being too PC in the standard US definition, which I disagree with - Jeph has changed dialogue before for the sake of not offending his audience, but just about every time, it's been for the sake of not offending MINORITIES, not to perpetuate the WCSCAM's perspective. And, he's been afraid to go down storylines not for reasons of offending the WCSCAMs, but rather for reasons of potentially offending the minorities he's portrayed (just read his comments re: the Claire storyline).

Not to mention, he portrays racial, sexual, and now gender minorities in a very positive light, and he DOES explore storylines involving those people in ways that would horrify the WCSCAM. (Well, you could argue the lesbian exception to the WCSCAMs being negative about homosexuality (which isn't positive, it's creepy, but at least it's not outright hatred) in the case of storylines involving Tai's personal life, but still.)

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