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WCDT: 2434-2438 (29 April-3 May, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
pwhodges:
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--- Quote from: Xthform on 30 Apr 2013, 06:04 ---All I'm saying is Tolkien wouldn't have changed the Hobbit
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He's not going to change it just because you want the story to go a certain way, either.
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Though actually Tolkien did change The Hobbit, with a retcon to match the account Bilbo gave in The Lord of the Rings about how he got "Gollum's" ring.
Rghfrgl:
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--- Quote from: Xthform on 29 Apr 2013, 23:42 ---If Scott Ramsoomair has the gale to write this comic http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=270 why can't Jeph make a comic where a pre op trans gender character has a relationship with a member of their current pre op sex.
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If only Scott Ramsoomair would bother to POST a damn strip at least once a week instead of this wishy-washy schedule, perhaps your argument would hold some weight.
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He should have hung it up a long time ago. It was a great comic, but he doesn't care about it anymore, yet can't let go either.
To respond to the comparisons I don't think it's fair. VGcats has no continuity or long term storytelling. The controversial strip killed the main character and he was back 2 strips later. I don't know if Jeph has the guts to do a Claire and Marten romance. I'd lean towards 'probably not', but there's a whole lot more to consider. Where does the romance go? Will a shy girl like Claire fit in interacting with the main cast more?(I don't think so, except in a Marigoldish role and we've already got Marigold.) Is she the one? If not how do they eventually break up and where does the character go from there?
Now I'd love if tomorrow Tai walks into the office and Claire and Marten are making out as much as the next shipper. I don't know if that'd be the right move for the comic(Though I'd certainly love being proved wrong). And that's just it. It's not just a matter of if he's got the guts to do it, but if it's the right thing for the comic.
If you don't consider that all a sudden it's jurasic park. And then Sara gets eaten by a dinosaur.
Xthform:
--- Quote from: ankhtahr on 30 Apr 2013, 06:32 ---Keep in mind that there were verbal personal attacks on Jeph earlier, and he had a hard time dealing with it. I wouldn't resent Jeph for trying to avoid something like this, not implying that he does.
Jeph should do what he wants to do. It really isn't our business telling him how to do his job.
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I wasn't so much trying to tell him how to write more so just venting something that has bothered me about web content lately. For the record I'm not even a fan of a Claire Marten shipping I just thought this was a chance to do something that would really push the envelope because no one ever takes those kinda risks anymore.
@bhtooefr
You are pretty spot on here and I know Jeph has done some great things with his writing for minorities and bi/gay people and I love him for that but rarely do I ever see something like a trans gender person make it into a main cast let alone a still transitioning one. I thought Jeph was really gonna go some place big with Claire you know rush headlong into uncharted waters and having this in transition M to F enter into a relationship with someone who knows what they are and what their going through and be willing to accept that would be something I've never seen before.
As I stated above I was never really pulling for a Claire Marten relationship but my need to push boundaries started screaming for this to happen. Everything these days is very scripted and predictable. I can't remember the last time I watched or read something I hadn't already guessed the conclusion of.
EDIT: I know I'm being incredibly selfish with what Im trying to get at but you'd be frustrated to if you'd gone 15 years without being truly impressed by something again.
Method of Madness:
--- Quote from: Rghfrgl on 30 Apr 2013, 07:58 ---He should have hung it up a long time ago.
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I thought he did hang it up a long time ago. And I just looked, he's done about 20 strips since 2009, and three since 2011. That's not an irregular update schedule, that's occasionally coming out of retirement. There's no comparison between that and Jeph occasionally taking a sick day. (Also LICD occasionally posts a filler strip, not that their Con Tales aren't fun, though)
--- Quote from: pwhodges on 30 Apr 2013, 07:46 ---Though actually Tolkein did change The Hobbit, with a retcon to match the account Bilbo gave in The Lord of the Rings about how he got "Gollum's" ring.
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What.
bhtooefr:
That said, it would be a completely plausible storyline for Claire to not be interested in pursuing a relationship at all, let alone one with Marten, for many, many reasons:
* She may not want to add the stress of a relationship to her life when she's going through grad school
* She may not want to impose any trust issues and anxieties that she has (and we know she has both - maybe not to Dora level, but still, both Dora's and her trust issues are affecting their professional lives - Dora nearly fired Faye because of them, Claire destroyed work assigned to her by Tai because of them) on a potential partner
* She may simply not be interested in a romantic relationship period - we know that she has attractions, but that doesn't mean that she's romantically inclined. I somehow doubt this, it'd be very weird in light of her trust issues and a few other things, but it's possible I guess
* She may fear that her status would cause issues (potentially personal safety issues) in a relationship
Note that only one of those has anything to do with her being trans. Myself, I suspect that if Jeph went that way with the shiptease, he'd go for #2, because that shows Claire as flawed, but trying (as opposed to Dora, although that's not 100% fair to Dora now).
And, there's also plenty of reasons for it to not be Marten - his passivity in many situations would probably frustrate Claire to no end. Conversely, her intensity, if he's in an especially passive mood, or wanting to interact with her in some way other than what she's focusing on, could annoy him. (It could work really well, though - Marten's been shown as less passive lately (really, ever since right before the breakup, when Dora pushed him to the breaking point admittedly, but Dora also pushed him, AFTER the breakup, to actually get into the band stuff again, and he's been continuing with that without her pushing him further), especially in this arc, where he actively went to make sure Claire was OK, and actively helped her through the situation once she was able to interact with him. And, Marten's passivity could end up being a form of stability for Claire, and Claire's intensity could end up being a form of motivation for Marten.)
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