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Method of Madness:
--- Quote from: Carl-E on 09 May 2013, 08:12 ---It's only one syllable south of the Mason-Dixon line.
As in, "Man, I'm Tired" (Man, I'm TAHR'D).
"You're hired" (Yer HAHR'D) (not to be confused with, "You're hard!")
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Fair enough, to me, tire and hire rhyme with liar, which is two syllables, so that's why I consider tire and hire (and their past tense versions) to be two as well.
Carl-E:
Oh, same for me. I'm a certifiable nor'easter. Hell, where I come from, the word "yup" has two syllables (eye-up)
But my wife's from St. Louis. 27 years, and I still have trouble with her drawl at times...
Akima:
--- Quote from: Method of Madness on 09 May 2013, 12:38 ---Fair enough, to me, tire and hire rhyme with liar, which is two syllables, so that's why I consider tire and hire (and their past tense versions) to be two as well.
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I always struggle a bit with syllable count in English. As a rule of thumb, I base it on vowel-sounds, so tire is one syllable because there is only one vowel-sound, while liar is two because there are two vowel-sounds ("lie-ah" in my accent). Regional pronunciation does complicate this idea though, I will admit. I have known people who pronounce liar as "lahr".
I once wrote a poem that contained the word "crushed", and was bashed for treating it as two syllables. It certainly has two "beats", I think, but there is only one vowel-sound. On-line syllable counters sometimes treat it as one, sometimes two, so... I don't know.
mtmerrick:
I've always heard it pronounced lye-AR
Redball:
--- Quote from: Akima on 09 May 2013, 15:36 ---
--- Quote from: Method of Madness on 09 May 2013, 12:38 ---Fair enough, to me, tire and hire rhyme with liar, which is two syllables, so that's why I consider tire and hire (and their past tense versions) to be two as well.
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I always struggle a bit with syllable count in English. As a rule of thumb, I base it on vowel-sounds, so tire is one syllable because there is only one vowel-sound, while liar is two because there are two vowel-sounds ("lie-ah" in my accent). Regional pronunciation does complicate this idea though, I will admit. I have known people who pronounce liar as "lahr".
I once wrote a poem that contained the word "crushed", and was bashed for treating it as two syllables. It certainly has two "beats", I think, but there is only one vowel-sound. On-line syllable counters sometimes treat it as one, sometimes two, so... I don't know.
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I think you're talking about diphthongs, which describe two vowel sounds in what's considered a single syllable. "Loud" "coin" and "side" are offered as examples" LOU-ewd, COE-ane and SI-ed. You can try to pronounce them without changing the vowel sound, but at least in American English, you probably won't succeed.
So I don't see a distinction between TIE-er and LIE-er.
And "crushed" is not CRUSH-ed, but CRUSHT: one syllable. I think in some poetry, t is substituted for ed.
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