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Thrillho:
American movie ratings are bullshit and the people who decide them are also bullshit.
The number of horror movies I've seen where I can watch someone get sawn in half uninterrupted but every sex scene has the girl wearing a bra. It really is ridiculous.
I'm iffy on censorship as a concept, but not dead against it - I just hate hypocrisy in censorship. I mean surely if we're going to be lax on one thing and hard on the other, the natural human bodily function (fucking) is probably a better choice to be lax on than the horrifying violence, right?
BenRG:
--- Quote from: Gareth on 02 Apr 2015, 04:01 ---American movie ratings are bullshit and the people who decide them are also bullshit.
The number of horror movies I've seen where I can watch someone get sawn in half uninterrupted but every sex scene has the girl wearing a bra. It really is ridiculous.
I'm iffy on censorship as a concept, but not dead against it - I just hate hypocrisy in censorship. I mean surely if we're going to be lax on one thing and hard on the other, the natural human bodily function (fucking) is probably a better choice to be lax on than the horrifying violence, right?
--- End quote ---
Here in the UK, film classification has been a joke since the 1990s. The tide turned when Warner Brothers persuaded the British Board of Film Classification to introduce the '12' rating after refusing to make cuts in Tim Burton's 'Batman' to earn the PG rating. When they threatened not to release the film in the UK, the cinema owners went ballistic and put pressure on the BBFC to find a compromise, the 12 certificate being that.
Secure in their victory, fifteen years later, the BBFC was forced to introduce the even more meaningless '12+' rating to appease the distributors of action and horror blockbusters who insisted in exceeding the weak limits of the 12 classification and then threaten not to release the movie (and thus likely bankrupt Britain's cinema chains) if the BBFC rated it as a 15. I confidently expect that the modifier 'subject to parental discretion' will be added to the instruction not to admit under-15s and under 18s to the 15 and 18 classification instructions shortly.
FWIW, I remember the original classification scheme in the UK:
U - Universal - particularly assessed as suitable for children
A - Standard-quality movie that BBFC has authorised for general release
AA - The BBFC recommends that children not watch this movie
B - The BBFC judges that this movie falls below reasonable artistic standards; spend your money on this at your own risk (to this day 'B-Movie' is British slang for what our American cousins would call a 'bomb')
X - Breaches the BBFC's classification standards in terms of violence, language, nudity and/or sexual activity; can only be shown in specially-licensed theatres and only legal adults (over-21) can view.
Thrillho:
I'm actually a Brit, so I'm aware of how ridiculous our own ratings system is, my point was more that however bad ours is... America's is worse.
You watch an 18-rated Hammer Horror film in the UK, and you're going to get tits and violence. You watch an R-rated horror in the US, you're going to get... cleavage and violence. But because of the level of violence, it'll still be an 18 when it gets over here. Or maybe a 15. It kinda varies.
Then of course there's the X-rating in the US, which is like a guarantee no-one will see your film because no cinemas will show it. Even though the differences between an X and an R would be absolutely negligible in the grand scheme.
And of course, PG13 and 12 films are ridiculous anyway, because they show shitloads of deaths (X2 anyone?) but no gore. So, violence, just no consequences. Yay! And god forbid you see a nipple in a sexual context, EVERYONE ON EARTH WILL WANK THEMSELVES BLIND!
Edguy:
I hate it when I wank myself blind.
Jimmy the Squid:
That's why I like Australia's film and video game classification system (now that we've introduced the R rating for games, that is). It's really simple and I haven't come across terribly many films that don't seem appropriately classified (though a few films that used to be rated R have been downgraded).
G - Suitable for General Exhibition (usually children's films)
PG - Parental Guidance for Children Under the Age of 12 (still largely family friendly stuff but will usually carry labels warning of "supernatural" or "violent" themes. Kids can still see/purchase these films by themselves without an adult).
M - Mature content, recommended for people 15 years and above (roughly equivalent to the more violent or frightening end of the US's PG13 nonsense. Usually these films/games will have some swearing (but nothing worse than the word "shit") and very minor violence. All the Harry Potter films from PoA onwards were M. Younger children can still go see/purchase these films without parental supervision).
MA15+ - Mature content, restricted to audiences 15 years and above (usually reserved for films that feature both violence and nudity or just slightly extreme violence. These films get to say "fuck". Most softcore porn films get this rating).
R - restricted to audiences 18 years and above (basically anything really violent or sexy. Most porn is R, Fight Club is R because of the stuff about making bombs (though I think that it, along with Universal Soldier and the Proposition are some of a number of films that have been reclassified as MA).
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