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Is the use of Kickstarter by celebrities/ppl with plenty of money acceptable?
seinfeldtheme:
--- Quote from: ackblom12 on 12 Aug 2013, 14:38 ---Kickstarter is for anyone and everyone who wishes to crowdsource their project. The amount of money they may or may not have available to themselves at any given time matters not.
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well yeah, i understand that it literally gives you the option to use it regardless of your financial state; that's not really what's up for debate here. you can also have a six-figure salary and beg on street corners if you want
--- Quote ---Whether or not you are willing to back it or not according to how much the company or individual's net worth is is a completely different matter.
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again, the people giving money aren't the issue. they can choose to spend their money however they want. what i find interesting is that jeph jacques almost certainly knew that many of his devoted fans would be willing to give him money if he asked for it (and as this thread demonstrated, not all of them realized how much money he makes from this comic), didn't actually need their money to fund his expensive hobby, and asked anyway
Barmymoo:
But it's not really any different to a company seeking financial backing before they start a project, so that they don't bankrupt themselves if it goes wrong.
Perhaps Jeph does earn upwards of £100,000 from the comic. We don't know what his outgoings are. I personally don't know how much it costs to record an album - but we do know how much he quoted as needing on the Kickstarter. He might well not have that much spare cash. I don't know many people who live incredibly frugally unless they need to. Most people live up to their income, or just below. Many people spend over their income.
I don't think Jeph is abusing his fans in any way. You make it sound like he brainwashed them into signing over everything they own. In reality most people have simply given the cost of a single meal in a restaurant or less, in return for something they clearly value.
seinfeldtheme:
--- Quote from: Barmymoo on 12 Aug 2013, 15:07 ---But it's not really any different to a company seeking financial backing before they start a project, so that they don't bankrupt themselves if it goes wrong.
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people who seek financial backing do so to get off the ground, not after they've already become successful and just want to start a passion project for fun on the side
--- Quote ---Perhaps Jeph does earn upwards of £100,000 from the comic. We don't know what his outgoings are. I personally don't know how much it costs to record an album - but we do know how much he quoted as needing on the Kickstarter. He might well not have that much spare cash. I don't know many people who live incredibly frugally unless they need to. Most people live up to their income, or just below. Many people spend over their income.
I don't think Jeph is abusing his fans in any way. You make it sound like he brainwashed them into signing over everything they own. In reality most people have simply given the cost of a single meal in a restaurant or less, in return for something they clearly value.
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yeah but that's generally the point of disposable income. if you want to spend it on shit like recording an album in a studio instead of in your house, you can do that. if you want to buy expensive guitars and gold vinyl Opeth repressings, you can do that instead. asking for people to fund your ability to do both is pretty tacky
i don't think he's brainwashing anybody; i just think, like i said before, it's in pretty bad taste to ask for money you don't need so you can support your hobby for free
Barmymoo:
And like I said before, you don't know that he doesn't need it. Personally I think it's in pretty bad taste to come onto these forums and criticise the actions of the person who is funding them. It would be like coming into someone's home and criticising the resident's lifestyle.
seinfeldtheme:
--- Quote from: Barmymoo on 12 Aug 2013, 15:20 ---And like I said before, you don't know that he doesn't need it. Personally I think it's in pretty bad taste to come onto these forums and criticise the actions of the person who is funding them. It would be like coming into someone's home and criticising the resident's lifestyle.
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nah, a six-figure salary in a household without kids should leave you with enough disposable income to make this project feasible, it just depends on how you choose to use it. this is apparently his lifelong dream, and it's certainly within his means to save up enough money to achieve it or to have started doing so when this comic started netting him that much money
and anyway, i don't know that he doesn't "need" to professionally record a metal album?
--- Quote ---It would be like coming into someone's home and criticising the resident's lifestyle.
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i honestly have no idea whatsoever how criticizing a public figure's plea for money is in any way like entering his home and criticizing his lifestyle
you keep offering all these analogies and none of them really make sense
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