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ev4n:
I think Akima's above post is spot on.
--- Quote from: Akima on 21 Aug 2013, 04:34 ---exhibits an ignorant, neo-colonialist attitude to Chinese people, language, and culture.
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This I'm less certain of, and I think LeeC is too.
Is it cold in here?:
--- Quote from: ev4n on 21 Aug 2013, 08:58 ---Akima's criticism makes me uncomfortable. I mean, there's a lot of stuff she's right about, but at the same time it makes it seem like I (and my friends and family) should feel guilty for speaking a language, making a living in that language, and generally being influenced by a culture that is "not our own".
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Akima does as much herself. I bet you're treating that "not our own" culture with curiosity and respect, and acknowledging its natives as real people as opposed to background spear carriers. You actually speak the language rather than occasionally cussing in it.
EDIT: Another way of looking at the difference -- was there a hint of evidence that the European-looking people in Firefly were at all influenced by the cultures(s) of their Chinese partners?
Parkour Lewis:
It's a cheesy sci-fi show about cowboys in space. I don't think it really warrants this much debate, even if Jayne walked around in a hitler 'stache.
I mean, if you really wanted to overthink things in a show, you could go on about how the United Federation of Planets was an oppressive communist state, the Jedi Order were basically catholic priests and just as full of shit, or the 13 colonies of Kobol were an overpowering religious state.
Jeez, lighten up.
Valdís:
--- Quote from: Parkour Lewis on 22 Aug 2013, 19:31 ---or the 13 colonies of Kobol were an overpowering religious state.
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They weren't Monads, though, so that's no big deal.
*Is rather serious and greatly enjoyed the rise of Monotheistic cults being set in the modern day without historical dominance*
ev4n:
--- Quote from: Is it cold in here? on 22 Aug 2013, 15:48 ---
--- Quote from: ev4n on 21 Aug 2013, 08:58 ---Akima's criticism makes me uncomfortable. I mean, there's a lot of stuff she's right about, but at the same time it makes it seem like I (and my friends and family) should feel guilty for speaking a language, making a living in that language, and generally being influenced by a culture that is "not our own".
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Akima does as much herself. I bet you're treating that "not our own" culture with curiosity and respect, and acknowledging its natives as real people as opposed to background spear carriers. You actually speak the language rather than occasionally cussing in it.
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I feel like I've lived my whole life in a bicultural society, right on the border of two cultures. And yes, I've absolutely heard people from both side cuss in the others language. Or in both, liberally.
In general, having wandered a fair bit inside the border, having seen everything from darned near numerical equality to an overwhelming majority, nothing in FF inherently didn't fit.
I'll concede privilege may be biasing my initial impression there, though.
--- Quote from: Is it cold in here? on 22 Aug 2013, 15:48 ---EDIT: Another way of looking at the difference -- was there a hint of evidence that the European-looking people in Firefly were at all influenced by the cultures(s) of their Chinese partners?
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Dress and language, yes. Values, not that I saw, but I would argue that I'm not sufficently versed in Chinese culture to say. You raise an interesting and thought-provoking point.
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