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Tova:
Sure, back from the dead, came back wrong. Pick your favourite resurrection trope. No real difference for the purpose of this discussion.
And of course they only bring back popular characters. Say what you like about Blizz, they aren't idiots. That rather does, however, support the notion that they are primarily driven, not by narrative, but by marketing imperative.
TheEvilDog:
--- Quote from: Tova on 06 Sep 2016, 20:16 ---Sure, back from the dead, came back wrong. Pick your favourite resurrection trope. No real difference for the purpose of this discussion.
And of course they only bring back popular characters. Say what you like about Blizz, they aren't idiots. That rather does, however, support the notion that they are primarily driven, not by narrative, but by marketing imperative.
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The thing is that Varian is literally dust on the wind, Vol'jin got burned on a pyre. You have two of the most popular characters in the franchise and they have been completely removed and killed off. Varian's chin too.
But the general feel of this expansion is that maybe Blizzard are clearing the board, that the world isn't going to be the same again and we aren't going back to the status quo simply because it does not exist anymore. Now, there have always been dark spots early to mid expansion, where the players are on the ropes, but then haha, we get the lucky break to turn things in our favour. But its not happening in Legion, at least not yet. The old heroes are dying and being cleared out and for once everything rests on the player's shoulders, because now they have to make the choices (or at least being directed by their second in commands or bosses...). I don't think Legion will be the last expansion, mainly because WoW is 12 years old this year and is one of the few subscription based MMOs still around, Blizzard are making too much money from this. But I also know that Blizzard aren't afraid of killing off fan favourites for the purpose of developing the story.
Tova:
There is no need to be afraid of killing them off when you can either resurrect them or time travel to reuse them at any time you choose, is there?
TheEvilDog:
--- Quote from: Tova on 06 Sep 2016, 20:37 ---There is no need to be afraid of killing them off when you can either resurrect them or time travel to reuse them at any time you choose, is there?
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You seem to be obsessed with the idea of Blizzard bringing back characters from the dead. Like there's a conveyor belt where they kill a character at one station and resurrect them at the next station, before killing them at the next station and repeating the process ad nauseum.
Granted, the time travel plot of Warlords was something of an asspull, but its not necessarily an overwriting one. Its more like the current Star Trek. Yeah, there's an alternate timeline, but in the same way that the Kelvin timeline for Star Trek doesn't necessarily mean that The Original Series, the Next Generation and so on have been rendered obsolete, rather its just a fork in the story. Same thing with Warlords, the story hasn't been overwritten, but there is a fork in the timeline, the Warlords timeline and the Main timeline. That Gul'dan from Warlords is now in the Main timeline doesn't even matter any more than the players crossing universes and time to smack a petulant teenager upside the head.
Tova:
Hey, I'm not obsessed with anything WoW, I thought I made that clear. I'm just having a conversation with you, and responding to the points you're making. I'm happy to keep discussing the resurrection trope for as long as you are.
--- Quote from: TheEvilDog on 06 Sep 2016, 20:53 ---Like there's a conveyor belt where they kill a character at one station and resurrect them at the next station, before killing them at the next station and repeating the process ad nauseum.
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Not quite that bad, no. I think you're somewhat unfairly mischaracterising what I'm saying.
The impression I get is that you don't entirely disagree with what I'm saying, just that you don't think that any of it is a deal breaker. If so, then I actually agree with you on that. None of this is the reason I've stopped playing, actually. But that's another story.
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