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So Stephen Colbert is going to be hosting The Late Show
Barmymoo:
The trans thread isn't the only place where we're allowed to talk about the rights of trans people. You are welcome to talk about other aspects of The Late Show and Stephen Colbert (I can't contribute to that because I don't know what or who either of them are) but the posts so far all seem relevant to the topic to me.
LeeC:
Fair enough :-) its what I was trying to do.
mustang6172:
--- Quote from: Valdís on 10 Apr 2014, 22:10 ---Secondly, you claimed I was proposing dehumanization of any kind, but furthermore I disagree with the premise that a marginalized group can dehumanize the dominant group. It is not within their power to marginalize the dominant at their say-so, or else, well.. words mean things. :-P
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Every joke at someone's expense is dehumanizing.
--- Quote from: LeeC on 11 Apr 2014, 08:04 ---I find it amusing how the trans topic bled into this one about a new late night show host. Bled is too light a term, more like flooded.
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Persecution complex will do that.
bryntheskits:
--- Quote from: Valdís on 10 Apr 2014, 21:03 ---(with no element of "satire" so no one even fucking start that shit)
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:meh:
BeoPuppy:
I have an issue with this whole discussion. I would consider the Colbert from the Colbert rapport a character in a ... work of art? A performance ... whatever. And as such I find it hard to blame the writers of the show for what the characters says and does. The character's words are necessary to drive the narrative.
I don't think I'm explaining myself very well. Let me try this in a different way.
Gerard Kornelis van het Reve (14 December 1923, Amsterdam, Netherlands – 8 April 2006, Zulte, Belgium) was a Dutch writer. He started writing as Simon van het Reve and adopted the shorter Gerard Reve in 1973.[1] Together with Willem Frederik Hermans and Harry Mulisch, he is considered one of the "Great Three" of Dutch post-war literature. His 1981 novel De vierde man (The Fourth Man) was the basis for Paul Verhoeven's 1983 film.
Reve was one of the first homosexual authors to come out in the Netherlands.[2] He often wrote explicitly about erotic attraction, sexual relations and intercourse between men, which many readers considered shocking. However, he did this in an ironic, humorous and recognizable way, which contributed to making homosexuality acceptable for many of his readers. Another main theme, often in combination with eroticism, was religion. Reve himself declared that the primary message in all of his work was salvation from the material world we live in.
Gerard Reve was prosecuted in 1966 for allegedly breaking a law against blasphemy. In Nader tot U he describes the narrator's love-making to God, a visitor to his house incarnated in a one-year-old mouse-grey donkey. In April 1968 he was acquitted by the High Council.
Basically, they said: you, the author cannot be held responsible for the thoughts and actions of your characters. And it would lead to an absurd situation in which one would not be able to create anything.
Now, I feel that something similar is happening to the Colbert writers and the actor Colbert himself. He is being blamed for the words of his character. And maybe the same is happening to John Stewart, perhaps to a lesser extent?
Am I seeing this wrong?
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