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jwhouk:
I do want to point out that I wasn't trying to be condescending. I am pointing out that too many people focus on the "Wow, the Enterprise shoots its phasers and wipes out the Klingons and Romulans!" and not on the interactions between Kirk, Spock and Bones.
When Star Trek failed miserably was when it focused on the technology, not the story. This was why ST:TMP was seen as such a huge failure/disappointment when it came out, and TWOK was seen as the much better film.
mustang6172:
--- Quote from: jwhouk on 18 Jun 2014, 21:00 ---I think that's the major thing about it: TOS and TNG were written before the fall of the Berlin Wall. You who were born after 1990 have no idea what it was like, thinking that the world could conceivably end at any time, just because someone pushed a button.
Star Trek was a glimmer of hope through all this. We can get to the stars. We will get to the stars. We will explore new worlds; we will seek out new life forms, new civilizations - and befriend them, peacefully.
That was more important to us than anything: we will get through this. Sadly, it's something lacking in today's world.
--- End quote ---
People still think the world is going to Hell, Berlin Wall or not.
TMP failed because it was boring!
Speaking of those whales you mentioned earlier:
//www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPztpGBrfD8
Why aren't the whales ours to do with as we please? What happened to "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few?"
jwhouk:
Prime Directive, I'd guess.
Whales, it is inferred, were determined to have a sufficiently-high intelligence level that they could possibly become a species that would reach warp-tech level of society. (I know, I know.)
jwhouk:
Something you learn, years after the fact:
When I was in college, I liked reading the Pocket Books Star Trek novelizations, as they were a way of imagining the voyages of the Enterprise and her crew while waiting for the next installment of the movies (or for the new TV series, at that point) to come out. As I wasn't as big into the FanFic and Zines at that time, this was my way of being a Trekkie.
My favorite book in the series - which, from what I understand, is still going - was an installment known as How Much For Just The Planet?. It was a book written by Jon M. "Mike" Ford, who combined both the intrigue and the characters together to make a romp of a story on a planet that was still being referred to in later books and novels.
There was one thing that always puzzled me in the opening dedication: Ford had mentioned that the book was dedicated to "its special guest stars", one of which was "Neil, who wanted a walk-on." Little did I know until I read up on the late Mr. Ford as to whom exactly Neil - who was apparently the role of "Ilen the Magian" in the book - was.
(click to show/hide)Neil Gaiman. Yes, THAT Neil Gaiman. :psyduck:
J:
--- Quote from: mustang6172 on 19 Jun 2014, 19:22 ---//www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPztpGBrfD8
Why aren't the whales ours to do with as we please? What happened to "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few?"
--- End quote ---
well, one of the main conceits of the story is that the whales are sapient, intelligent animals. as such taking them against their will & forcing them to preform a task would essentially be slavery. 'needs of the many' could certainly justify that, but given that they want the whales to talk to the probe, it's probably best to have their willing cooperation. after all, it'd be a bit of a downer ending if their first message to it was "Nuke these motherfuckers!"
also, shatner cracks me the hell up in that scene. he is shatnering so damn hard, without even saying a word.
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