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Kugai:
I think Equinox could have worked in context with Voyager as I Posted about as well.
We could see a Voyager that, while cutting loose on certain aspects of what is expected of a Federation Crew and Starship, still maintaining a certain level of 'Moral High Ground' so to speak running across the Equinox which, as you saw in the series, had completely abandoned every Federation principle, with Janeway and the crew going slightly Ahab on Ransom and his crew and wondering if they could have sunk that low themselves.
Aziraphale:
--- Quote from: jwhouk on 04 Jul 2014, 05:17 ---I don't like the idea of a Darker, Edgier Star Trek (as stated previously).
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I'm with you to a degree, since that optimism is one of the things that hooked me on all things Trek (except the Abrams crap) from a very young age. On the other hand, I don't think that we're ever as far removed from our darker impulses as we'd like to believe. Even a Utopian society has its dark underbelly, and it's not like you just arrive at your idealized destination and say, "Okay, now that that's done, what's for lunch?"
Where Voyager disappointed me to some degree was that it spent a bit too much time being too sure of the answers, instead of diving into the questions. What does the Prime Directive mean when you're nearly a light-century from home? Do you re-evaluate your relationship to your ideals, and if so, what does that look like? And if you try to stick to the "old" way of doing things, how do you reconcile your imperfections (and worse) with your ideals? Whether in spite of or because of all our shortcomings, those things make for compelling storytelling. They would also have been a throwback to TOS, in that the original series, as hamfisted and campy as it could be sometimes, still looked beyond and outside itself, sometimes holding up a mirror and other times a magnifying glass to our past and present even if it was exploring it in the future tense. In that sense, at least, Voyager always seemed like a lost opportunity, with its ending only hinting at what could have been (Janeway's actions in the finale tiptoe to the outer edges of what Kugai suggests above).
hedgie:
The comments re: Voyager make me rather surprised that no one has pointed this out:
//www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwhAq3F8NCE
judemorrigan:
--- Quote from: jwhouk on 17 Jun 2014, 05:54 ---The worst episode of Enterprise is better than either ST reboot movie.
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As deeply flawed as the Abrams movies were, I maintain that Dear Doctor was the most despicable Star Trek ever written. Let's have our "heroes" commit genocide based on a parody of evolutionary theory that would make a creationist proud!
TheEvilDog:
Then again, episodes like that did showcase exactly why Starfleet and later the Federation had to have the Prime Directive. Because it was too easy for Captains to get involved with races that weren't ready to join the galaxy and altering them in a fundamental way.
Now, I do agree that particular episode was still crap, but like a lot of the current era episodes of Star Trek, they had a good idea but they just couldn't follow through with it.
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