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WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread

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Tova:

--- Quote from: sitnspin on 25 Aug 2014, 17:51 ---Is Sven the cause of all her problems? Of course not, but their relationship is a source of mental and emotional strain for her, even if it is just because of her perception of it. If having him around hampers her health and recovery, then being away from him, even is just temporarily, is a smart move.

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Pretty much. That, AFAIK, is the definition of a toxic relationship.

Mafarfloune:
There's been much talk about the undeserved hate Dora can get on this board, but not so much about the undeserved hate Sven seems to get : Let's reorient the discussion towards that. What exactly has Sven done to warrant being called an ass/manipulator/toxic/etc by some people on here? Because the situations I seem to recall Sven being are :

- Sleeping with a bunch of women, but I can't remember seeing much about how the women felt after the "relationship" was over. One may assume he's been using/manipulating, but I don't think we have solid grounds for that.

- He did hurt Faye. But let's remember the context : Faye was basically putting themselves in a "relationship" demanding commitment (or sacrifices) from Sven, but not so much from Faye. People also tend to put aside the fact that the relationship ultimately hurt Sven a lot more than it did Faye.

- Having everything too easy and angering Dora because of it.

- Being generally cool and honest to people, though sometimes having trouble grasping the concepts of other people around him not having it as easy.

- Giving Hanners a good time, and being a gentleman about it.

- Being confused at how Faye had "changed" him.

- Being boldly honest with Faye, though at a very wrong time for her. Then again, context : he's spent most of the time since the Faye relationship thinking about her, unable to find other girls interesting anymore, and being generally unhappy about the way things turned out. It came to him as an epiphany that he really was in love with Faye, and telling her would be the only thing keeping him from self-loathing (plus, blissfully thinking it will work). I don't think he's a friend of Angus, he didn't harass Faye (came clean about his feelings, didn't keep going once she told him to fuck up). As far as I'm concerned, he's mostly been a gentleman there.

So obviously Sven is in my good graces. Care to remind me of the really bad things that he did?




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Schmorgluck:
I think Dora is going too far in the right direction. Which is a convoluted way to miss one's goal.

Both Dora and Sven could probably benefit from some honest confrontation. Which I aknowledge is complicated to set up. But I think it's something Dora should try before deciding to cut bridges. Many (if not all) of her issues are tied to Sven. Her excluding him from her life could only result in Sven possibly growing up - which isn't a bad thing, but what's in it for her? She's running from the core issues that undermine her happiness.

EDIT: And by the new comic (which wasn't up as of the above), Marten seems to be roughly of the same opinion as mine. Which I find unconfortable.

ASB84:
The way Dora's acting - overly cheerful, kinda creepily so - suggests that she's not handling the situation well. She's arguably a bit unhinged and overreacting, and I think that's how she's meant to be portrayed, given her expressions and Marten's reactions. The news she's received second/third-hand has stirred up issues she has with her brother, she's pretty much over the whole thing, and wants to wash her hands of him. Drastic, but not completely inappropriate...except that we have seen Sven show signs of not being a complete jerk, as well as offering compassion and support to Dora in the wake of her breakup with Marten.

And to me, that's kind of the issue here: Sven's characterisation. The current arc both intrigues me and bugs me in that regard; it's not completely out of character for him, but in portraying him as an antagonist and the bad guy in the whole situation, it seems like his more redeemable characteristics (and smarts) have been stripped away, his nicer moments glossed over. His current behaviour either casts past events in a new light, or flies in the face of them. I suppose only Jeph really knows for sure, having created the character and all that, but his character development up until now has established him as "kind of a jerk, but a decent enough person deep down".

We've also seen him admit that he's never had a meaningful relationship, and the whole thing with Faye has really messed him up. Granted, in his most recent appearance, he's handled the whole situation very poorly, but it's clear that he has issues himself. I think Dora sometimes gets a bit wrapped up in "look how easy he has it, everything's so hard for me" self-pitying to realise that while Sven has had it easy in some things, he's also got problems of his own. I'm guessing that's what rubs some people the wrong way and makes Dora seem less sympathetic.

Nyithra:
I might be able to understand why Dora would do this if she even thought to have a discussion with Sven over it, even if it was just a declaration of cutting him out. Why does she have to declare it to Marten and then immediately ask him to keep it secret?

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