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WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Tova:
--- Quote from: Valeyard on 25 Aug 2014, 23:16 ---In order for there to be a "too", I would have to be doing straw man argument myself. And I'm not. My reasons are valid, yours isn't.
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I don't necessarily have any problem with the position you are advocating, but if you want to be taken seriously, you really will have to open yourself up to considering other people's points of view, rather than simply dismissing them as stupid or invalid without any further consideration. Deliberate misrepresentation of people's views, such as "Yes yes, we get it. Dora can never do wrong in your eyes," will not do you any favors. You should address their arguments, rather than jump to conclusions about what is behind them.
No-one is perfect, and that applies double in the QC world. Everyone in this comic has their troubles, and I can assure that pretty much everyone here would be aware of that. That includes Dora and Sven both.
I am not so sure that I would apply the word 'toxic' to Sven, it seems a little strong. But I can see why Dora might. Obviously their relationship is somewhat toxic, as I mentioned earlier, and neither is entirely blameless. Apportion blame as you will. Also, whether distancing herself from him is the right move, I don't know. Maybe it is, at least for the time being. As someone else said, it's probably a better option than her bludgeoning him with a baseball bat.
FWIW, I don't hate Sven, but he has a few lessons to learn.
Edit: I forgot to mention that there are a couple of things I do disagree with. I don't think that "breaking Jim's heart" (whether she really did or not) makes Dora a terrible person. A first date does not oblige anyone to follow up with a relationship. Also, there was a throw-away line along the lines of "Marten is now forever alone." Really? A little dramatic, don't you think? Marten will find someone else, in his own time. If he doesn't, that's not Dora's fault.
sitnspin:
--- Quote from: TRVA123 on 25 Aug 2014, 23:32 ---
--- Quote from: sitnspin on 25 Aug 2014, 23:16 ---I disagree, at least when it comes to Dora acting out of character. Tension with her brother has been there for years. Her relationship with and to him have been a major source of emotional turmoil for her her whole life. That she might decide it would be healthy to distance herself from him seems a natural progression of that. Whether or not it is a good choice, it is one that follows from the preceding event.
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I just don't read Dora as being someone who would opt to cut someone from her life. I would expect her to confront Sven, then, if that confrontation went badly, decide to cut him out of her life. Just jumping from "my brother did something slightly assholeish!" to "toxic person, out of my life." does not fit with how I've read Dora in the past.
To make this snap decision, of this magnitude, does not seem in charcter for Dora. Sure, she has had snap reactions in the past, but they were over relatively minor things from her perspective (A girl flirted with Marten! or I'll just look at Marten's porn, it's not a big deal) She didn't forsee that her actions would have consequences of magnitude. But when she broke up with Marten she did it with forethought. I see cutting someone out of your life on a magnitude above breaking up with someone. I don't think Dora would put less thought into cutting Sven out of her life than she would put into breaking up with Marten.
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Again, her decision is not a reaction to this singular event, it is a culmination of everything leading up to this point. The back breaking straw, as it were.
KOK:
--- Quote from: sitnspin on 25 Aug 2014, 22:10 ---The person you are interested in having a significant other IS a good reason not to pursue them unless you know they are polyamorous. It is disrespectful to the feelings of the person you're pursuing. You are effectively saying you don't respect their feelings for their partner and are only interested in your own wants.
Plus Sven is being hypocritical since he has stated outright that he doesn't intentionally pursue women who are already involved.
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It is not hypocritical. We have no reason to doubt that he was telling the truth when he said that. It is going against his principles as he previously stated them, but he is openly admitting that he is a changed man.
TRVA123:
--- Quote from: sitnspin on 25 Aug 2014, 23:36 ---Again, her decision is not a reaction to this singular event, it is a culmination of everything leading up to this point. The back breaking straw, as it were.
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I understand why some people might see it that way. I don't.
Dora and Sven haven't really been hanging out much or involved in each others lives since she moved out of his apartment. (I am basing this on the idea that something not shown in comic is not plot relevant) There has been no foreshadowing, no discussions involving her brother, not really anything, except that date he took Hanners on wayyy back (which might have been pre-Dora Marten breakup, I don't remember and I am not looking it up right now)
Clearly a person can cut someone out of their life at any time, for any reason, etc. But this is a story being told to us, not real life. For me, Dora's decision lacks the requisite buildup that you would see for a "last straw" moment.
[Edited to insert relevant quote that I am replying to]
sitnspin:
--- Quote from: KOK on 25 Aug 2014, 23:40 ---
--- Quote from: sitnspin on 25 Aug 2014, 22:10 ---
Plus Sven is being hypocritical since he has stated outright that he doesn't intentionally pursue women who are already involved.
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It is not hypocritical. We have no reason to doubt that he was telling the truth when he said that. It is going against his principles as he previously stated them, but he is openly admitting that he is a changed man.
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Fair enough. Not exactly a positive change in this instance. I've always been a relatively strong supporter of Sven up until this current arc.
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