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WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
hedgie:
--- Quote from: sitnspin on 26 Aug 2014, 02:17 ---Again, I ask, what does Faye have to be angry about? Dora made a decision about her relationship with her brother. How does that negatively affect Faye? I know you are determined to blame Dora for something, anything, but I fail to see any rational basis for Faye to care what Dora does in relation to her own family.
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People seldom act in a rational manner. Dora probably has her (possibly quite good) reasons from not wanting to drag Faye into family/personal matters. On the other hand, she *is* head underling at CoD, and may feel like the Dora/Sven problem might have an effect on her work environment. That might be rational, it might not, and Dora might have the best intentions, knowing that Faye is stressed enough as it is. At this point, it is still unknown what impact Dora's decision will have, and how it'll affect the other characters, so aside from speculation, I don't really see the point in (and I'm not aiming at you, just the turn this thread has taken) essentially picking "sides".
creatureshock:
--- Quote from: sitnspin on 26 Aug 2014, 03:12 ---This isn't about Faye. This is about a long term on-going problem between Dora and Sven. It is a family matter. I really don't understand how you think it involves Faye.
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Then we will agree to disagree.
sitnspin:
--- Quote from: creatureshock on 26 Aug 2014, 03:18 ---
--- Quote from: sitnspin on 26 Aug 2014, 03:12 ---This isn't about Faye. This is about a long term on-going problem between Dora and Sven. It is a family matter. I really don't understand how you think it involves Faye.
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Then we will agree to disagree.
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We will likely never agree, but that does not preclude understanding of each other's respective positions. I am legitimately curious about your reasoning in this matter as it has so far baffled me. You say that you'd be angry in Faye's position, but you've never explained why.
creatureshock:
--- Quote from: sitnspin on 26 Aug 2014, 03:44 ---
--- Quote from: creatureshock on 26 Aug 2014, 03:18 ---
--- Quote from: sitnspin on 26 Aug 2014, 03:12 ---This isn't about Faye. This is about a long term on-going problem between Dora and Sven. It is a family matter. I really don't understand how you think it involves Faye.
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Then we will agree to disagree.
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We will likely never agree, but that does not preclude understanding of each other's respective positions. I am legitimately curious about your reasoning in this matter as it has so far baffled me. You say that you'd be angry in Faye's position, but you've never explained why.
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Because if someone based a major life decision on something that happened to me, without even asking me my opinion of the situation, I would be pissed off. At the very least, in my opinion, Faye deserves a "Dude, that's fucked up". Add to the fact that Dora is, as I've said before, hiding this like a child hides a bad report card, would make me even more pissed off. I would expect a "Hey, I heard what happened. Here is what I am going to do because I'm sick of his shit, and what he did to you want the last straw", not "Please don't tell her/him/it". I am sort of taking Sven's side of this because he is an upfront asshole. He doesn't hide it, he is just being Sven. Dora is being an asshole, but being an undercover asshole. I've always had respect for people that don't tiptoe around issues. Be honest and upfront about it. Nothing pisses me off more, and my parents, brother, and several dozen ex-girlfriends and dozens of ex and current friends learned this very quickly when I went off on them because of it. You aren't saving anyone's feelings from being hurt but your own. And if you are too much of a coward to take your lumps and suffer the consequences of your actions or decisions, then don't fucking do them. If you are going to execute me, at least have the balls to do it to my face and not from behind.
plusorminus:
--- Quote from: creatureshock on 26 Aug 2014, 03:01 ---
I can only say it from my position. Dora is Faye's best female friend (Marten being her best friend over all), and Dora not telling Faye about something this majorly significant action she is taking in her life, based on something that did not happen to Dora but to Faye, will probably piss Faye off. Faye has enough shit on her plate with Angus possibly moving and their relationship, the most healthy relationship she has ever had with someone outside of her family, becoming long distance or possibly forcing her to move (and I can almost guarantee she is thinking of that possibility) to be with the man she loves.
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OK, you're obviously not interested in the well-reasoned arguments (not mine) that detail why this does affect Dora, which indicates that you've made up your mind to blame Dora regardless, so I will heed that and move on.
I do think you have a point within the rest of this paragraph. Dora has done a monumentally stupid thing in telling Marten. I get it that she wants Faye not to know, probably precisely because she fears Faye will blow a gasket, or try to invalidate her feelings, just as Marten is trying to do. It's not for Marten to tell Dora what she should and should not feel and how dumb or not she is to feel whatever way she feels,. Faye specializes in that sort of behavior to the point where she had to be warned not to be an asshole to Marigold or there would be consequences.
But Marten is incapable of keeping anything from anybody for any length of time, plus he is Faye's best friend. Dora has now involved Marten in the "cover up" which will not go over well when Faye inevitably finds out what's going on. Doesn't make Dora "toxic," doesn't mean that she deserves to be dipped in butter and thrown on an anthill. It does indicate her tendency to shoot first and aim later that has been pointed out in this thread. And maybe she will lose Faye's respect, friendship or even services in CoD.
That's how far it goes. Faye has nothing to do with Dora's feelings for her own brother any more than Dora would have to do with Faye's feelings toward her sister. If Dora tells Faye "You were dealing with the Angus stuff and I didn't want to pile on. I knew there was a reason you didn't tell me and I'm sorry I involved Marten and asked him to keep this from you, but I've made up my mind about Sven," then that's it as far as Faye is concerned. Faye doesn't get to be preachy or offended or violent over actual feelings that Dora may feel, but that she (Faye) might not personally agree with. She does get to be offended and angry (but still not violent) that Marten is involved and is being told to actively keep this from her.
Also, I don't see what "consequences" Dora would be taking except for the loss of Faye's friendship, which she was prepared to suffer after the Marten thing, or Faye quitting, which she was also prepared to suffer. Dora loves Faye, but ultimately it's up to Faye if she wants to leave the friendship, and while Faye's services to CoD have been tremendous, Dale's situation shows that Dora could have three people in there tomorrow to replace Faye if it came to that. I definitely don't think she wants it to come to that, but there's really no "consequences" Dora is avoiding here, except being hit by Faye, and I say again, Faye needs to keep her hands to herself before she winds up in jail on assault charges because one day she will dump milk or coffee on the wrong customer and her arse will be in lockup.
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