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WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Somnus Eternus:
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My thoughts exactly. Dora's just being dramatic and making it all about her, which is extremely annoying.
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Er, no. This is her brother, not some stranger on the street who sassed Faye. She's telling her parents precisely because it's not super easy to just cut off a member of your family. She's allowed to have a last straw, too. This could be it.
I'm sort of weirded out by the Dora hate on this board.
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I have siblings of my own and sometimes they do stupid things. When they do stupid things I don't act out about it, I don't get incredibly angry, and I certainly don't make any declarations involving the removal of "toxic people" from my life, when they do kinda-shitty things out of nowhere, to other people.
I don't hate Dora, but I cannot, for the life of me, wrap my head around why she's acting this way. I can't.
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I can. I have a younger brother with whom my relationship has always been borderline abusive. If he did something that could potentially have a toxic effect on one of my friends' lives, it'd probably be the last straw for me, too.
It's about perspective. For some people, siblings are family, and you put up with their crap because they're family even when they're dumb because family always sticks together, etc, etc, etc. It sounds like you might fall into that category. For other people, those siblings have caused damage beyond repair and you're just keeping them around out of a sense of duty to the family, nevermind the damage they're causing to your life.
You're not obligated to keep someone in your life just because you have blood ties. And sometimes, cutting them out without a word is more effective in the long run (and short term) than trying to talk to them, because sometimes talking to them is counter-productive. It happens. It's a real thing. Your siblings are people, too.
Blackjoker:
If Dora is just cutting Sven out of her life because this was the final straw and she realized that he was a source of stress and that his behavior had hit the last wall, fine. What concerns me is that Doras behavior seems to be unnerving others, including people that she has been close to for a while (IE Marten). Hence my earlier comment that I'm worried that Dora might be viewing Sven as the source of all or at least many of the problems in her life, and if that is the case then the crash following the happy is going to be an issue unless he somehow truly is the source of all her problems.
cesium133:
Sometimes there are people in your life that you just have to tell to fuck off. Not saying that's the case here, but yeah... I have a half-sister that I haven't talked to in three years, and I'm fine if it lasts for life.
Smallest:
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--- Quote from: Smallest on 24 Aug 2014, 21:19 ---Yeah. Cutting toxic people out of your life is good, but what did he do other than have bad judgement with Faye (which Faye can deal with herself, and he just said a stupid thing, it's not something I'd call 'toxic' even to Faye)? I mean, he had an easier life than her, sure, and banged her friends, but those aren't really 'TIME TO DENOUNCE YOU AND CUT YOU OUT' properties. If she doesn't like being around him she doesn't have to, but cutting someone out of your life generally means more than not spending time with.
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Shit, they don't spend time together as is. When was the last time they were shown hanging out together? I think that is a failing of both of them and I think they'd get over a lot of their bullshit if they actually just hung out and talked shit over.
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I don't think anyone answered this so anyway- pretty sure it was when she was living with him because she broke up with Marten and had nowhere to live.
(click to show/hide)ETA- While I think that the above's a pretty big point to make in the 'who is more toxic' argument, I am not trying to imply that toxic people cannot occasionally do a nice thing (f'ex, my best friend's inarguably toxic father provided her a place to stay for a couple weeks). I do not think the Sven/Dora dynamic is anything like that one, though. And while interesting, I don't think calling Dora toxic really solves whether her actions are justified/if Sven is.
I'm not sure whether spending time together would fix their issues- my brother and I get along much better now that we only talk/see each other 2-4 times a year- although on the other hand I'm a 'COMMUNICATE DAMMIT' type, so I feel like I should agree with you. Either way, while I think there are many cases where cutting someone out of your life, family or not, is justified, I don't really think this is one based on anything we've seen.
--- Quote from: techkid on 25 Aug 2014, 06:13 ---I can understand why Dora is making this decision, but I think this is a huge jumping of conclusions that she's taking part in.
I mean, yes, he basically dumped his emotions all over Faye at what amounts to be a terrible time, and no decent person would press the point like Sven did. He is an ass for that, and Faye's emotional smackdown is fully justified.
But Dora is reacting on third-hand news, at best. Her past issues with Sven will never heal (hell, does anyone's?), but to completely disregard him without talking to him about it first is a bit much.
If he had tried to pull some sort of emotional manipulation, (click to show/hide)such as threatening suicide to "win" her love then he'd be exactly as much of a dick to deserve no mercy, but (thus far, at least) he hasn't. They really need to talk it out and fix their shit.
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Also this.
plusorminus:
--- Quote from: FunkyTuba on 25 Aug 2014, 07:34 ---It's the "I've got a secret" parade followed by smugly talking about it that smells like shitstorm seed crystals to me.
Good for drama, bad for emotional progress, Good for comics.
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I'm not so sure about the first thing. Faye's there. She could just not want to be all "Hey, so Cosette told me that my brother told Steve he wanted you to run away with him and to hell with Angus. Discuss?" I was almost certain after the strip where we saw Cosette spilling the beans that the next strip was going to have Dora coming over to Marten and Faye's apartment demanding to know what happened. I was relieved that didn't happen. Until proven otherwise, I'm going to assume Dora's put on a chipper face to not scare the newbie and to keep Faye out of the blowback.
--- Quote from: Somnus Eternus on 25 Aug 2014, 08:28 ---You're not obligated to keep someone in your life just because you have blood ties. And sometimes, cutting them out without a word is more effective in the long run (and short term) than trying to talk to them, because sometimes talking to them is counter-productive. It happens. It's a real thing. Your siblings are people, too.
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Exactly. I'm a bit surprised how the talk on the board was how strange Sven was acting and no one seems to think that perhaps there has been some off-screen stuff Sven has been doing that Dora has been dealing with and this is just the straw that broke the camel's back. If you say there's no evidence of that, cool, but there was no evidence either that Sven was going to profess love to Faye and ask her to dump her boyfriend. And yet ... it happened. My suspicion is that whatever got Sven to Ultimate Douchebag Point has been going on, offscreen, for awhile now. Maybe Dora thought he was handling things and now she finds this out, and she realizes "Okay ... dude is nearly 30. He's not going to change and I'm tired of this."
--- Quote from: Blackjoker on 25 Aug 2014, 08:32 ---If Dora is just cutting Sven out of her life because this was the final straw and she realized that he was a source of stress and that his behavior had hit the last wall, fine. What concerns me is that Doras behavior seems to be unnerving others, including people that she has been close to for a while (IE Marten). Hence my earlier comment that I'm worried that Dora might be viewing Sven as the source of all or at least many of the problems in her life, and if that is the case then the crash following the happy is going to be an issue unless he somehow truly is the source of all her problems.
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That's fair. If this is something along the lines of Dora hearing about this and deciding "OMG, that's it! My life would be amazeballs without Sven!" then yes, that's not a problem per se because she might, in fact, be right about that, but deciding that on a dime might not be in her best interest.
My concern is the belief that somehow Dora orchestrated all of this to get attention focused on her when she's actually not the one who instigated this. Now, again, all bets are off if she a) Berates Faye for not telling Angus or goads her into telling him or b) Loudly proclaims that she's soverydone with Sven and doesn't actually cut him off and keep it moving. Just like with the Cosette stuff in the beginning - she was wrong to try to trap Marten into a lie, but she isn't the one who instigated getting that intelligence. It just happened, and she dealt badly with it. She didn't routinely interrogate Marten on what coeds might have flirted with him that day. She leaves Sven to his own devices. She wasn't happy about the FWB stuff with Faye but stayed out of it until Sven went over the line and did something hurtful. And even then, Dora should not have hit him and he was right to call her out for that. But she wasn't the one checking up every five minutes on their relationship status. Faye told her what happened and she reacted.
I sort of think Dora would be the most mellow person in the strip if people didn't tell her stuff! :-D
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