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WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Carl-E:
Genitals are sexual characteristics, but not all sexual characteristics are genitals. Generally, genitals are the reproductive bits between the legs - the root is genitus, Latin for the past participle of the verb "To Beget".
Akima:
--- Quote from: aphanisis81 on 20 Sep 2014, 08:27 ---I know that I wouldn't be able to date or sleep with a trans woman with the exact same mindset I'd have while dating and sleeping with a cis-woman. It's not a matter of prejudice or non-acceptance; there just wouldn't be any way to not think about that aspect of her and have it influence how I see her.
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If you don't accept someone, as a romantic partner or anything else, you can't say it isn't a matter of non-acceptance. You cannot acceptingly not accept someone. Suppose I recast this passage like so:
"I know that I wouldn't be able to date or sleep with a Asian woman with the exact same mindset I'd have while dating and sleeping with a white woman. It's not a matter of prejudice or non-acceptance; there just wouldn't be any way to not think about her race and have it influence how I see her."
How unprejudiced does that sound?
Sidhekin:
--- Quote from: Akima on 21 Sep 2014, 02:23 ---You cannot acceptingly not accept someone. Suppose I recast this passage like so:
"I know that I wouldn't be able to date or sleep with a Asian woman with the exact same mindset I'd have while dating and sleeping with a white woman. It's not a matter of prejudice or non-acceptance; there just wouldn't be any way to not think about her race and have it influence how I see her."
How unprejudiced does that sound?
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Pretty unprejudiced, if you ask me. Let's not make preference a matter of prejudice, shall we?
aphanisis81:
--- Quote from: Akima on 21 Sep 2014, 02:23 ---
--- Quote from: aphanisis81 on 20 Sep 2014, 08:27 ---I know that I wouldn't be able to date or sleep with a trans woman with the exact same mindset I'd have while dating and sleeping with a cis-woman. It's not a matter of prejudice or non-acceptance; there just wouldn't be any way to not think about that aspect of her and have it influence how I see her.
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If you don't accept someone, as a romantic partner or anything else, you can't say it isn't a matter of non-acceptance. You cannot acceptingly not accept someone. Suppose I recast this passage like so:
"I know that I wouldn't be able to date or sleep with a Asian woman with the exact same mindset I'd have while dating and sleeping with a white woman. It's not a matter of prejudice or non-acceptance; there just wouldn't be any way to not think about her race and have it influence how I see her."
How unprejudiced does that sound?
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According to the mods, we're not supposed to be having this conversation. But what I'm trying to say is that while the person's trans status would be on my mind and likely shape how I interact with her and how I see her sexually, that doesn't mean that I don't accept her gender identity, her right to have it, or her right to be treated by and exist in society with it.
I also didn't say I categorically WOULDN'T be romantically involved with a trans woman (well, actually, I wouldn't, but because I'm married, not because of absolute preference). I'm saying that if I did, that fact about her would be something I'd have to come to terms with and would make me ask questions about my own sexuality. I don't think that translates to non-acceptance or discrimination, and I kind of resent the racial comparison (or maybe just your example; my wife is Japanese). It doesn't hold up.
I wish I could say it would make no difference at all, but that's not true, and I think most straight guys whose only experiences have been with cis-women would have to admit that that's the case. Certainly it would be the case with a guy as introspective as Marten.
aphanisis81:
--- Quote from: Sidhekin on 21 Sep 2014, 02:37 ---
--- Quote from: Akima on 21 Sep 2014, 02:23 ---You cannot acceptingly not accept someone. Suppose I recast this passage like so:
"I know that I wouldn't be able to date or sleep with a Asian woman with the exact same mindset I'd have while dating and sleeping with a white woman. It's not a matter of prejudice or non-acceptance; there just wouldn't be any way to not think about her race and have it influence how I see her."
How unprejudiced does that sound?
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Pretty unprejudiced, if you ask me. Let's not make preference a matter of prejudice, shall we?
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Thank you. And I would go further and say it's not even preference so much as being wary of unknowns and differences. Please let me reiterate that I did not say I wouldn't date or sleep with a trans woman. I said that her trans status would influence how I regarded the relationship. And I recognize that this would be due to MY issues and hang-ups, and probably based on ignorance and fear and male sexual stereotypes. But I'm being honest about it, and I think it would be disingenuous to pretend otherwise.
I don't think that's so horrible.
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