Topic: WCDT: 2811-2815 (13-17 October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread (Read 164579 times)

plusorminus · « **Reply #400 on:** 15 Oct 2014, 18:34 »

Quote from: Krald on 15 Oct 2014, 18:31

Quote from: nosaJay19 on 15 Oct 2014, 18:14
Well, shit. Are we going to get more strips with the therapist?

Has Faye, or especially Dora even been going?, i just ask since Dora is back to making totally irrational decisions again (the brother thing)

There's no evidence that Dora has not been going. She seems to have derived some comfort from it. One possible bad move doesn't mean that Dora has backslid completely.

I'm confused. Does Angus not know about Faye's history? He's being somewhat cavalier here, and my other issues with him aside, I think he does love Faye. I can't understand why he would be so nonchalant if he knew about what Faye's gone through and her abandonment issues.

Krald · « **Reply #401 on:** 15 Oct 2014, 18:42 »

Angus is drunk with excitement, as would most of us after getting the news of beating out however many other applicants for a sought after dream job.

eschaton · « **Reply #402 on:** 15 Oct 2014, 18:43 »

Quote from: plusorminus on 15 Oct 2014, 18:34

I'm confused. Does Angus not know about Faye's history? He's being somewhat cavalier here, and my other issues with him aside, I think he does love Faye. I can't understand why he would be so nonchalant if he knew about what Faye's gone through and her abandonment issues.

Because he's kinda a self-absorbed tool. Seriously.

Neko_Ali · « **Reply #403 on:** 15 Oct 2014, 18:45 »

There was the set up aaaand here's the breakup...

Method of Madness · « **Reply #404 on:** 15 Oct 2014, 18:51 »

Whoa, they haven't broken up yet. It's probably coming, but I wouldn't say it's happened.

plusorminus · « **Reply #405 on:** 15 Oct 2014, 18:58 »

Quote from: eschaton on 15 Oct 2014, 18:43

Quote from: plusorminus on 15 Oct 2014, 18:34
I'm confused. Does Angus not know about Faye's history? He's being somewhat cavalier here, and my other issues with him aside, I think he does love Faye. I can't understand why he would be so nonchalant if he knew about what Faye's gone through and her abandonment issues.

Because he's kinda a self-absorbed tool. Seriously.

Whoa. Thanks for the refresher. I'd forgotten about that. Jeez.

I think he is just giddy and maybe, idk, perhaps he thinks that the fact that she is in therapy and dating him means she's all better? I'm not sure. Because I do think he cares for her deeply and his attitude right now is just bizarre. I do think they are going to break up, but for some reason I can see Angus initiating it now, citing that she's "stagnant" and raining on his parade.

Makes me wonder how things really ended between him and the barista-who-wasn't-Padma from Secret Bakery.

nosaJay19 · « **Reply #406 on:** 15 Oct 2014, 19:00 »

Quote from: Method of Madness on 15 Oct 2014, 18:51

Whoa, they haven't broken up yet. It's probably coming, but I wouldn't say it's happened.

I think it's happening. Sudden realizations lead right into sudden decisions in the QCverse. Like this one (Warning: Strip #1799).

Krald · « **Reply #407 on:** 15 Oct 2014, 19:07 »

Quote from: eschaton on 15 Oct 2014, 18:43

Because he's kinda a self-absorbed tool. Seriously.

Eh, sorry but during the whole lead up to that, Faye was totally being the boy who cried wolf, constantly fucking with him, what did she expect him to do when she was being serious.

Method of Madness · « **Reply #408 on:** 15 Oct 2014, 19:09 »

Quote from: nosaJay19 on 15 Oct 2014, 19:00

Quote from: Method of Madness on 15 Oct 2014, 18:51
Whoa, they haven't broken up yet. It's probably coming, but I wouldn't say it's happened.

I think it's happening. Sudden realizations lead right into sudden decisions in the QCverse. Like this one (Warning: Strip #1799).

Well no, because in 1799, we actually see the break up. This may lead up to the breakup and soon, but like I said, I wouldn't say they're officially broken up yet.

SomeCanadianWeirdo · « **Reply #409 on:** 15 Oct 2014, 19:11 »

eschaton's repost of that strip got me thinking about Marigold's reaction to this. Even with Dale in her life I suspect she isn't going to be much happier than Faye is. And we have no idea if she even knows Angus tried out for this job. Angus may soon find himself facing a freakout on top of whatever happens next with Faye.

eschaton · « **Reply #410 on:** 15 Oct 2014, 19:19 »

Quote from: Krald on 15 Oct 2014, 19:07

Eh, sorry but during the whole lead up to that, Faye was totally being the boy who cried wolf, constantly fucking with him, what did she expect him to do when she was being serious.

I'm talking more about how he talks about Marigold at the end of the strip than the lead in about Faye. Yes, it's the strip's punchline, but still he's so absorbed in his screw-up with Faye he misses entirely that he insults one of his best friends (at that point) who is trying to comfort him.

Angus isn't Sven. He isn't a superficially charming sociopath - he actually wants to consider the feelings of others. But he has a great capacity to miss those feelings entirely - something which is only somewhat masked by his inflated sense of self worth.

~~GarandMarine~~ · « **Reply #411 on:** 15 Oct 2014, 19:20 »

Woof. That's a brutal look right there. Gonna be a rough night at Marten and Faye's.

Orkboy · « **Reply #412 on:** 15 Oct 2014, 19:22 »

It seems we were at the maximum relationships/character ratio, so we had to make room for the Clairten pair.

Krald · « **Reply #413 on:** 15 Oct 2014, 19:28 »

Quote from: Orkboy on 15 Oct 2014, 19:22

It seems we were at the maximum relationships/character ratio, so we had to make room for the Clairten pair.

There are only so many spots available at the pier

aliensporebomb · « **Reply #414 on:** 15 Oct 2014, 19:28 »

Oh dear. It's like watching a tree just before it falls over after getting a fatal cut to the root system.

Blackbird · « **Reply #415 on:** 15 Oct 2014, 20:05 »

Look at that face in the last panel. If Angus doesn't give her a hug, like, immediately, he simply has no soul.

I mean, he doesn't have a soul, he works in television, but I always figured it took longer for all those vestigial impulses to die off.

(Also, this is way off-topic, but am I the only one who can't see the number 2814 without thinking of Green Lantern?)

Fig · « **Reply #416 on:** 15 Oct 2014, 20:11 »

Quote from: Blackbird on 15 Oct 2014, 20:05

Look at that face in the last panel. If Angus doesn't give her a hug, like, immediately, he simply has no soul.

I mean, he doesn't have a soul, he works in television, but I always figured it took longer for all those vestigial impulses to die off.

(Also, this is way off-topic, but am I the only one who can't see the number 2814 without thinking of Green Lantern?)

I didn't even think about it until you mentioned it.

~~mustang6172~~ · « **Reply #417 on:** 15 Oct 2014, 20:25 »

I guess Jeph couldn't have Marten and Faye single at the same time. Gotta save something for the end of the comic.

Jazzmaster · « **Reply #418 on:** 15 Oct 2014, 20:26 »

This is fucked, isn't it?

I'm actually expecting them to have a 'talk' about it, but they are only going to be postponing the inevitable. When one person wants to live one place and do one thing and the other wants to stay in their current place and do their thing, some serious sacrifices have to be made. Whether or not it's worth it is up to the individuals, but once you let it be known that you are in fact not happy for your partner's big opportunity, the writing is on the wall.

aliensporebomb · « **Reply #419 on:** 15 Oct 2014, 20:33 »

Never has a last panel said so much with so few words.

bunnyThor · « **Reply #420 on:** 15 Oct 2014, 20:34 »

Quote from: Jazzmaster on 15 Oct 2014, 20:26

This is fucked, isn't it?

If by "fucked" you mean "the long delayed realization of a dream", then yes.

Faye's whole character has been off since Angus McBoring swooped in from nowhere as a viable boink partner, and if he gets put on the allosaurus bus, then everything gets a shake-up and a fresh new coat of paint. And dare I hope for it, the return of Sven as regular supporting character?

Whew. Take a deep breath. No raising expectations until Toto-boy is out the door.

Carl-E · « **Reply #421 on:** 15 Oct 2014, 20:43 »

No. Just... no, she's not going back to Sven. I don't even think as a fuckbuddy, that's just too unhealthy a move for both of them.

On different note, I like Angus. I know I'm pretty much alone in this, but I think I know why.

I like wit. I like witty people, I like to hang with them, I've developed a pretty sharp one myself over the years. But a witty person is fundamentally a deeply flawed person - to develop that capacity, you need to be absurdly self-centered. No one is naturally witty, it's something that must be developed, and that development is done through a nearly constant internal monologue. Keeping that going, and fresh, is time and energy consuming, and you have to care about it an awful lot. Which means you value your own cleverness above others. It doesn't preclude close relations with others, but it can certainly be a stumbling block.

Oh, and most people who don't appreciate a wit view one as an insufferable ass.

Rghfrgl · « **Reply #422 on:** 15 Oct 2014, 20:47 »

Quote from: Blackbird on 15 Oct 2014, 20:05

(Also, this is way off-topic, but am I the only one who can't see the number 2814 without thinking of Green Lantern?)

Faye Whitaker of sector 2814, you have the ability to instill great fear..

Jazzmaster · « **Reply #423 on:** 15 Oct 2014, 20:59 »

If Faye and Sven start dating it's going to be pretty awful. Sven obviously has no idea what love actually is, and is simply confusing his inability to cope with being rejected as having some sort of meaningful emotional attachment.

I mean, I could be wrong, but I'm probably not.

And I was just thinking...Faye said he's "dropping his whole life", when really, he's only dropping her. He's never been particularly attached to anyone else in the QC cast besides Faye, and this is what he's always wanted. But try telling that to somebody who has obvious issues with abandonment...

Quote from: Carl-E on 15 Oct 2014, 20:43

But a witty person is fundamentally a deeply flawed person - to develop that capacity, you need to be absurdly self-centered. No one is naturally witty, it's something that must be developed, and that development is done through a nearly constant internal monologue.

Great observation. It definitely manifested itself in the way Angus continued to deflect Faye's horrible attitude, as well as in his responses to her every time they had a chat about "Us".

Originally, I saw Angus as a guy who cared about Faye so much that he was willing to continue to put up with/stand up to her in order to "win" her, and it seemed even more endearing when he actually pulled it off. But now that I read your post, it does make me think something else might've been going on. It's possible he was also enjoying the thrill of the chase, and the way it made his ego feel when he Got the Girl. I'm not saying Angus doesn't care about Faye at all, but the way he persisted with her was probably due in large part to some emotional indifference and lack of attachment to the outcome, which is an easier state to be in when you're a bit self-centered to begin with.

iandanger · « **Reply #424 on:** 15 Oct 2014, 21:30 »

Quote from: bunnyThor on 15 Oct 2014, 20:34

Quote from: Jazzmaster on 15 Oct 2014, 20:26
This is fucked, isn't it?

If by "fucked" you mean "the long delayed realization of a dream", then yes.

Faye's whole character has been off since Angus McBoring swooped in from nowhere as a viable boink partner, and if he gets put on the allosaurus bus, then everything gets a shake-up and a fresh new coat of paint. And dare I hope for it, the return of Sven as regular supporting character?

Whew. Take a deep breath. No raising expectations until Toto-boy is out the door.

I haven't been on the thread this week because ive been busy (and tapatalk has been acting up) but I pretty much came here to say this, lol. I never "got" angus and I'd be glad to see the character hit the dust bin.

~~GarandMarine~~ · « **Reply #425 on:** 15 Oct 2014, 21:48 »

Quote from: Carl-E on 15 Oct 2014, 20:43

No. Just... no, she's not going back to Sven. I don't even think as a fuckbuddy, that's just too unhealthy a move for both of them.

On different note, I like Angus. I know I'm pretty much alone in this, but I think I know why.

I like wit. I like witty people, I like to hang with them, I've developed a pretty sharp one myself over the years. But a witty person is fundamentally a deeply flawed person - to develop that capacity, you need to be absurdly self-centered. No one is naturally witty, it's something that must be developed, and that development is done through a nearly constant internal monologue. Keeping that going, and fresh, is time and energy consuming, and you have to care about it an awful lot. Which means you value your own cleverness above others. It doesn't preclude close relations with others, but it can certainly be a stumbling block.

Oh, and most people who don't appreciate a wit view one as an insufferable ass.

See I like wit and witty people. Angus is not witty in my estimation. He's just kinda annoying.

PLGRN8R · « **Reply #426 on:** 15 Oct 2014, 21:51 »

AS A CHARACTER, I believe Angus has run his course. He's going to something he's completely in love with doing, he's relocating geographically, and he's contributed to the growth of other characters in a significant way. I don't know if he'll be written out completely quite yet, but I can't help but feel that his story in the QC universe is done. It's time for Faye to re-enter the single zone, and cope with the emotional backlash of going through her first real breakup since this comic started. We need to see how Faye can evolve as a character and move past this.

Naturally, Sven will re-enter the picture during her coping, but in what capacity? There was at least one instance (strip #872, idk how to do the fancy weird links you people do. I'm technologically handicapped) where Sven seemed to show concern for Faye getting too drunk, and he doesn't strike me as the type to take advantage of someone who's been drinking. YES he's self-centred, YES he's egotistical, YES he had a spoiled childhood, but he has shown GENUINE remorse for how things went between him and Faye. I can't make myself believe that, if he came across a newly-single and drunk Faye alone in a bar, even IF she made a pass at him, that he would take advantage of her while she's drunk. He has been shown to give genuinely good advice in the past, to Dora, Faye, Marten, and Wil. Perhaps he'd take up that role again.

He's not a great guy. But he's trying to get better, even if he's not sure how to do that.

Aziraphale · « **Reply #427 on:** 15 Oct 2014, 21:57 »

Not sure if it was on this thread or one of the others, but AprilArcus said something of Clinton to the effect that his self-confidence was way out of his proportion to any reason for self-confidence. You could say pretty much the same for Angus. The only way in which he's above-average is his almost painful averageness. If he were a size, he'd be extra-medium. I mean, think about it; he's average looking, seems to be of more-or-less average intelligence, his wit (supposedly his meal ticket) ain't anything to set the world on fire, his emotional intelligence kicks in from time to time but is offset by an assholeish lack of awareness, whether about his own actions or their consequences on others.

Nobody's perfect, either IRL or in fiction, so it'd be silly to expect perfection from him or anybody else. But compare him to pretty much everybody else in-comic besides, say, Penelope. Each one of them is a hot mess in some respect, but they also have something -- a skill or talent that sets them apart, or at least makes them bearable. Marten's indecisive as hell, but is a good friend and confidant, and could probably do something with his music if he had the confidence to pull it off. Faye's slowly getting the confidence back to get into her sculpture. Raven, bless her ditzy self, has intellectual gifts that are at odds with her image. Sven's a lothario that you wouldn't want within a country mile of your daughter, but writes mega hits practically without trying, in much the same way that even Jimbo manages to crank out bestsellers even though we only ever seem to see him on the verge of weeping into his yellow beer in dive bars. Try as I might, I can't see anything similar for Angus. Sure, we're told he's witty, but we haven't seen it.

Maybe it's just me, but if this is a signal that we'll be seeing less of him, I don't particularly mind. He's like that person you're secretly not happy with your friend dating; they're marginally okay as long as they keep your friend happy, but once they stop doing that, you don't have much use for them. Given that he's been as much of an ass as he's being to Faye (barring some unforeseen development or otherwise out-of-character epiphany), he can tell his story walking.

Is it cold in here? · « **Reply #428 on:** 15 Oct 2014, 22:17 »

Quote from: PLGRN8R on 15 Oct 2014, 21:51

(strip #872, idk how to do the fancy weird links you people do. I'm technologically handicapped)

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[URL=http://questionablecontent.net/872]Sven characterization[/URL]

plusorminus · « **Reply #429 on:** 15 Oct 2014, 22:34 »

Quote from: Aziraphale on 15 Oct 2014, 21:57

Not sure if it was on this thread or one of the others, but AprilArcus said something of Clinton to the effect that his self-confidence was way out of his proportion to any reason for self-confidence. You could say pretty much the same for Angus. The only way in which he's above-average is his almost painful averageness. If he were a size, he'd be extra-medium. I mean, think about it; he's average looking, seems to be of more-or-less average intelligence, his wit (supposedly his meal ticket) ain't anything to set the world on fire, his emotional intelligence kicks in from time to time but is offset by an assholeish lack of awareness, whether about his own actions or their consequences on others.

Nobody's perfect, either IRL or in fiction, so it'd be silly to expect perfection from him or anybody else. But compare him to pretty much everybody else in-comic besides, say, Penelope. Each one of them is a hot mess in some respect, but they also have something -- a skill or talent that sets them apart, or at least makes them bearable. Marten's indecisive as hell, but is a good friend and confidant, and could probably do something with his music if he had the confidence to pull it off. Faye's slowly getting the confidence back to get into her sculpture. Raven, bless her ditzy self, has intellectual gifts that are at odds with her image. Sven's a lothario that you wouldn't want within a country mile of your daughter, but writes mega hits practically without trying, in much the same way that even Jimbo manages to crank out bestsellers even though we only ever seem to see him on the verge of weeping into his yellow beer in dive bars. Try as I might, I can't see anything similar for Angus. Sure, we're told he's witty, but we haven't seen it.

Maybe it's just me, but if this is a signal that we'll be seeing less of him, I don't particularly mind. He's like that person you're secretly not happy with your friend dating; they're marginally okay as long as they keep your friend happy, but once they stop doing that, you don't have much use for them. Given that he's been as much of an ass as he's being to Faye (barring some unforeseen development or otherwise out-of-character epiphany), he can tell his story walking.

Wasn't it mentioned somewhere that he's from a fairly well-off family? He sort of always struck me as one of those intellectual dude-bros from money who called themselves liberal because they drink coffee made with free-trade coffee beans. He was often a shit to Marigold and it was implied that he had been even more of one to her while they were in college, so I always found it weird that they were roommates.

Maybe that's not fair. I honestly would never have thought Faye would go for a guy like him. He seems like a less "himbo"-ish Steve to me. Just sort of there and just assuming that just on the strength of them being them, cool jobs and hot chicks are their due.

Kugai · « **Reply #430 on:** 15 Oct 2014, 22:38 »

I'll be in the Bunker

Rghfrgl · « **Reply #431 on:** 15 Oct 2014, 23:08 »

Quote from: mustang6172 on 15 Oct 2014, 20:25

I guess Jeph couldn't have Marten and Faye single at the same time. Gotta save something for the end of the comic.

But Marten and Claire are going to get married and be together for the rest of their liv...oh god How I Met Your Mother end!

~~valkygrrl~~ · « **Reply #432 on:** 15 Oct 2014, 23:13 »

Quote from: Rghfrgl on 15 Oct 2014, 23:08

Quote from: mustang6172 on 15 Oct 2014, 20:25
I guess Jeph couldn't have Marten and Faye single at the same time. Gotta save something for the end of the comic.

But Marten and Claire are going to get married and be together for the rest of their liv...oh god How I Met Your Mother end!

They're going to connect over an umbrella and then have a reasonable number of babies? *squeeeeee*

Krald · « **Reply #433 on:** 15 Oct 2014, 23:18 »

The skull is not happy about what he thinks he caused

http://a.pomf.se/nxxxuq.gif

BenRG · « **Reply #434 on:** 15 Oct 2014, 23:19 »

Ooh, the feels! Seriously, you can actually see Faye's heart breaking in the last two panels. At least she's now admitted to Angus that she's been lying to him: She isn't happy and she won't be able to deal, emotionally, with an LDR. Jeph did a great job in telling the story of her emotions in this strip.

Now, Angus has to make a decision and it won't be an easy one. It is very likely he is going to have to choose between Faye and the bright lights of the Big City. One or the other, never both.

This is just a vague fear at this point but I wouldn't leave Faye on her own around booze or blades if Angus breaks up with her. I worry that she may decide that she wants to see her father.

mvdwege · « **Reply #435 on:** 15 Oct 2014, 23:27 »

Quote from: Gareth on 15 Oct 2014, 01:00

I think most would consider the early days of the comic to be from a time when Jeph might have been less aware of the implications of this violence being used for comedy.

Well d'oh!

Jeph makes mildly transphobic jokes in the first 500, and even had to retcon a rape joke. It's all part of his development as a writer, but to say that the first years of the comic were wholly unproblematic would be rather naive.

Pilchard123 · « **Reply #436 on:** 16 Oct 2014, 00:20 »

Angus, does that foot taste good? Is that why you've jammed it in all the way up to your knee?

J · « **Reply #437 on:** 16 Oct 2014, 00:41 »

oof. painful bit o' self honesty there for faye. do i see a bottle of emergency bourbon in her near future? and possibly a drunken booty-call at sven's?

far as angus goes, well... he's not being the most empathetic or tactful here. buuutt, with the brave-face she's been putting up thus far, i can't really blame him for being caught a bit off guard when the mask finally slips.

i imagine that this is probably the end for angus & faye's relationship, if only because i can't really see jeph splitting the cast/story between two fairly distant geographic locations on any kind of long term basis.

Krald · « **Reply #438 on:** 16 Oct 2014, 00:44 »

I just thought of this... but in that whole list of things that Angus has "taken care of " Faye was dead last to be mentioned...

Akima · « **Reply #439 on:** 16 Oct 2014, 01:03 »

Quote from: BenRG on 15 Oct 2014, 23:19

Ooh, the feels! Seriously, you can actually see Faye's heart breaking in the last two panels.

Yes... Sad Faye is tragic. Jeph's drawing in the second-last panel said it all with no words.

Lubricus · « **Reply #440 on:** 16 Oct 2014, 01:19 »

Quote from: J on 16 Oct 2014, 00:41

oof. painful bit o' self honesty there for faye. do i see a bottle of emergency bourbon in her near future? and possibly a drunken booty-call at sven's?

It would be supremely evil of her to hook up with Sven like that, knowing that he has feeling for her.

J · « **Reply #441 on:** 16 Oct 2014, 01:21 »

evil & stupid are often indistinguishable

Thrillho · « **Reply #442 on:** 16 Oct 2014, 01:27 »

If Faye does have an angry upset bang with Sven I might actually stop reading out of sheer rage. Not at Jeph, mind you, because it's a completely realistic narrative. It would just depress me and I'd be furious with the Faye character.

J · « **Reply #443 on:** 16 Oct 2014, 01:37 »

Quote from: Gareth on 16 Oct 2014, 01:27

If Faye does have an angry upset bang with Sven I might actually stop reading out of sheer rage.

really?

Thrillho · « **Reply #444 on:** 16 Oct 2014, 01:50 »

That link won't load on my computer or my phone.

snubnose · « **Reply #445 on:** 16 Oct 2014, 01:52 »

... drat.

They're breaking up. They're really breaking up !

DRAT !

NilsO · « **Reply #446 on:** 16 Oct 2014, 01:52 »

This does not look good. I expect a breakup statement from Faye tomorrow. As for the future, I am really afraid Sven's confession of love may have consequences. My best hope is that Marten and Dora team up to keep Sven away from Faye (and Faye away from booze) at all costs. This will no doubt be a strain for Claire, who has insecurities to deal with.

kerky · « **Reply #447 on:** 16 Oct 2014, 02:03 »

Quote from: Gareth on 16 Oct 2014, 01:27

If Faye does have an angry upset bang with Sven I might actually stop reading out of sheer rage. Not at Jeph, mind you, because it's a completely realistic narrative. It would just depress me and I'd be furious with the Faye character.

A brilliant excuse to make a binge-catch-up reading when the rage is gone, isn't it ?

(I have to confess, I've had QC breaks of a couple of months when I have been busy or the story was moving slowly, oh what joy it is when you come back to be able to read 30 or more comics in a row...)

I would not have that kind of self-control with how the storyline is developing right now, not even if the Faye character does something really stupid, like a spite bang with Sven.

I also don't think that it would be a realistic narrative, the svenectomy looks irreversible to me... UNLESS Faye decides out of pure spite or in an uncontrollable fit of rage to turn EVERYBODY against her. Remember, Dora svenectomized because she heard that he confessed his love for Faye completely out of context and situation. Now, this would bring Faye into a situation I would't want to happen. It would alienate and isolate a main character from the other main characters.

But after all, it's up to Jeph to decide which way the story goes...

Skewbrow · « **Reply #448 on:** 16 Oct 2014, 03:26 »

This is sad. Not very surprising at this point but still sad.

And also seems to bring back posters who still haven't gotten over the fact that Faye and Marten didn't hook up post-Talk.

I sorta see the complaint about Angus' lack of character development. He started out as a running gag, true, but has played a large role in Faye's healing. I kinda like him and I would say that any lack of character development is due to lack of air-time. This, of course, reflects Jeph's plans. So let's wait and see.

sluthy · « **Reply #449 on:** 16 Oct 2014, 03:54 »

Is Dora still in the shop? Is she seeing/overhearing any of this?

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