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WCDT: 2811-2815 (13-17 October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
FunkyTuba:
What would Sven have to do in order to overcome the general perception that he's bad for Faye?
What, if anything, would redeem him?
ReindeerFlotilla:
--- Quote from: Somnus Eternus on 16 Oct 2014, 09:38 ---Quick reminder that when Sven initially reappeared, it was with Jeph's note that he'd had plans for him for quite some time.
I think we're underestimating the role Sven is going to play in this arc. I'm not so sure it's going to be as black and white as "Angus and Faye break up, or take on a long distance relationship, and Sven makes a move in the meanwhile." It wouldn't really make sense, Sven's immaturity aside, to have him exhibit no growth at all. Coupled with Dora cutting him out altogether, I think we might be jumping the gun on the version of Sven we're going to be getting moving forward.
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Sven has been stuck in the same growth spot since he really cottoned to the fact that Faye meant something to him. Believe me. I just powered through everything from Faye finally comes clean with Marten to Tai gives Marten interns. Sven pops up now and again, and he basically doesn't change at all after a certain point.
Admittedly, he's not the same person he was before Faye. But post Faye he grows disillusioned with hookups and introspective about his fitness for relationships. And he sticks with that. If anything, this single minded focus on his own feelings during his return could be a sign of regression. (I don't claim it is.) There's no reason (yet) to assume he's grown. Changed? Yes. He thinks he's in love now. But that doesn't mean he's actually expanded his self.
Aziraphale:
--- Quote from: bhtooefr on 16 Oct 2014, 06:48 ---And what I'm saying is that Claire may decide that the best course of action is to actually be that shoulder to cry on for Faye, specifically to reduce the risk that she runs to Marten and does something.
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I know Claire's got trust issues, but this situation's a bit different. For one thing, she already knows the Faye/Marten dynamic; for another, she's placed her trust in Marten over something very significant to her, and he's validated that trust repeatedly in the time since. I think she's still a bit on the fence about Faye, but that relationship's still under development.
--- Quote from: Bologna on 16 Oct 2014, 07:04 ---I don't know why, but if they break up, I don't see an alcohol-inspired crash-and-burn for Faye. Maybe one pouty drunken night of it, some general sadness, and a trip to see her therapist (which would be interesting - haven't seen her in a while!).
I feel like Faye's gotten better about controlling her anger. Angus is probably the more angry one in this situation. I know it's his dream job and everything, but he's not being very empathetic. LTRs require more conversation than 'I'm moving, but you can totally come crash on my friend's couch!' and I can understand Faye's alarm at how little Angus seems to care about that.
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Could that be the last straw for the breakup, I wonder? Faye's gotten much better with the drinking, but we've seen a few times in-strip where Angus has gotten angry at her for drinking. If their current conversation doesn't come to a resolution, I could see Faye hitting the crisis wine, and then a drunken encounter (not even as drunk as she's been in the past, mind you) between her and Angus leading to him saying something he shouldn't and that precipitating the breakup.
--- Quote from: ReindeerFlotilla on 16 Oct 2014, 10:43 ---
--- Quote from: Somnus Eternus on 16 Oct 2014, 09:38 ---Quick reminder that when Sven initially reappeared, it was with Jeph's note that he'd had plans for him for quite some time.
I think we're underestimating the role Sven is going to play in this arc. I'm not so sure it's going to be as black and white as "Angus and Faye break up, or take on a long distance relationship, and Sven makes a move in the meanwhile." It wouldn't really make sense, Sven's immaturity aside, to have him exhibit no growth at all. Coupled with Dora cutting him out altogether, I think we might be jumping the gun on the version of Sven we're going to be getting moving forward.
--- End quote ---
Sven has been stuck in the same growth spot since he really cottoned to the fact that Faye meant something to him. Believe me. I just powered through everything from Faye finally comes clean with Marten to Tai gives Marten interns. Sven pops up now and again, and he basically doesn't change at all after a certain point.
Admittedly, he's not the same person he was before Faye. But post Faye he grows disillusioned with hookups and introspective about his fitness for relationships. If anything, this single minded focus on his own feelings could be a sign of regression. (I don't claim it is.) There's no reason (yet) to assume he's grown. Changed? Yes. He thinks he's in love now. But that doesn't mean he's actually expanded his self.
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Sven will be back, no doubt. As for a way forward -- a redemption, if you will -- I wouldn't be surprised at all if he stopped by to apologize for being an ass, saw that Faye had been drinking, or crying, or both, and tried to comfort her, sans any sexual intent (maybe implausible, but not impossible). Dora decides to check up on Faye, sees her brother there (cue, "This isn't what it looks like"), flips her wig, and goes off on one or both of them. That could take all three characters off on an interesting new trajectory.
AprilArcus:
--- Quote from: FunkyTuba on 16 Oct 2014, 10:40 ---What would Sven have to do in order to overcome the general perception that he's bad for Faye?
What, if anything, would redeem him?
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I would like to see Sven figure out that he's poly, start working on his communication skills around ethical non-monogamy, and stop chasing after monogamous people. Sven x Delilah, basically. It would be a huge, weird digression. Faye in particular has nothing to gain from patching things up with him.
PLGRN8R:
--- Quote from: Aziraphale on 16 Oct 2014, 10:49 ---
--- Quote from: bhtooefr on 16 Oct 2014, 06:48 ---And what I'm saying is that Claire may decide that the best course of action is to actually be that shoulder to cry on for Faye, specifically to reduce the risk that she runs to Marten and does something.
--- End quote ---
I know Claire's got trust issues, but this situation's a bit different. For one thing, she already knows the Faye/Marten dynamic; for another, she's placed her trust in Marten over something very significant to her, and he's validated that trust repeatedly in the time since. I think she's still a bit on the fence about Faye, but that relationship's still under development.
--- Quote from: Bologna on 16 Oct 2014, 07:04 ---I don't know why, but if they break up, I don't see an alcohol-inspired crash-and-burn for Faye. Maybe one pouty drunken night of it, some general sadness, and a trip to see her therapist (which would be interesting - haven't seen her in a while!).
I feel like Faye's gotten better about controlling her anger. Angus is probably the more angry one in this situation. I know it's his dream job and everything, but he's not being very empathetic. LTRs require more conversation than 'I'm moving, but you can totally come crash on my friend's couch!' and I can understand Faye's alarm at how little Angus seems to care about that.
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Could that be the last straw for the breakup, I wonder? Faye's gotten much better with the drinking, but we've seen a few times in-strip where Angus has gotten angry at her for drinking. If their current conversation doesn't come to a resolution, I could see Faye hitting the crisis wine, and then a drunken encounter (not even as drunk as she's been in the past, mind you) between her and Angus leading to him saying something he shouldn't and that precipitating the breakup.
--- Quote from: ReindeerFlotilla on 16 Oct 2014, 10:43 ---
--- Quote from: Somnus Eternus on 16 Oct 2014, 09:38 ---Quick reminder that when Sven initially reappeared, it was with Jeph's note that he'd had plans for him for quite some time.
I think we're underestimating the role Sven is going to play in this arc. I'm not so sure it's going to be as black and white as "Angus and Faye break up, or take on a long distance relationship, and Sven makes a move in the meanwhile." It wouldn't really make sense, Sven's immaturity aside, to have him exhibit no growth at all. Coupled with Dora cutting him out altogether, I think we might be jumping the gun on the version of Sven we're going to be getting moving forward.
--- End quote ---
Sven has been stuck in the same growth spot since he really cottoned to the fact that Faye meant something to him. Believe me. I just powered through everything from Faye finally comes clean with Marten to Tai gives Marten interns. Sven pops up now and again, and he basically doesn't change at all after a certain point.
Admittedly, he's not the same person he was before Faye. But post Faye he grows disillusioned with hookups and introspective about his fitness for relationships. If anything, this single minded focus on his own feelings could be a sign of regression. (I don't claim it is.) There's no reason (yet) to assume he's grown. Changed? Yes. He thinks he's in love now. But that doesn't mean he's actually expanded his self.
--- End quote ---
Sven will be back, no doubt. As for a way forward -- a redemption, if you will -- I wouldn't be surprised at all if he stopped by to apologize for being an ass, saw that Faye had been drinking, or crying, or both, and tried to comfort her, sans any sexual intent (maybe implausible, but not impossible). Dora decides to check up on Faye, sees her brother there (cue, "This isn't what it looks like"), flips her wig, and goes off on one or both of them. That could take all three characters off on an interesting new trajectory.
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I would actually LIKE to see an arc like that. Sven being completely platonic and just a positive presence for Faye, and then have Faye hug him to thank him, and then Dora walks in and just EXPLODES. It would be a very interesting story to investigate, because 90% of Dora's anger explosions have been resolved by Faye bringing her back down to Earth about everything, and this would be an important one for Dora to realize that Sven is NOT AS BAD as she thinks he is.
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