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WCDT: 2811-2815 (13-17 October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread

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ASB84:
Kind of surprised at some of the flak Angus is copping here. Granted, he has his faults like everyone else, and he's being a bit insensitive here, but I think the way Faye has handled the situation to date does play a significant role in that.

She's been outwardly supportive and enthusiastic, while keeping all her concerns and disappointment with the situation to herself. You could say that it's because she loves Angus and didn't want to bring him down, and I'd agree that's definitely part of it. However, I think it's also quite likely that she just didn't want to confront a challenging issue in their relationship, or have a difficult conversation.

From Angus' perspective, she's been cheering him on as he's pursued a dream job, a dream job that he told Faye about on their first proper date. He goes to New York, he gets the job, and wants to share his excitement and happiness with his significant other upon his return. However, now she's letting her true feelings out and kind of raining on his parade; she has a point, of course, but because Faye never brought this stuff up before, Angus is understandably taken aback.

I guess if you don't particularly like Angus, then this development lends itself well to demonising him to some extent, and seeing him as a self-centred jerk who only cares about himself, the "chase", and whatnot. And to be fair, he does have some jerkish tendencies, so that's not completely off the mark. I can definitely see where you're coming from.

Still, I think Faye shares some responsibility here, because she wanted to avoid a painful discussion and a tough situation. She and Dora have made fun of Marten's complacency and passiveness in the past, but I think this whole arc shows that Faye's still in need of some development/growing up, and that she's just as complacent as Marten. Sure, she's come a long way, admirably so given her "hella issues", but she's still trying to ignore her problems and avoid dealing with unpleasant situations if possible. She's also pretty content with the status quo, which you could argue is actually worse than Marten's moping. He at least knows he should be doing something more, even if he doesn't know what. Faye seems content not to reach any higher.

I'd agree that the writing has been on the wall since the audition first came up. I think both characters could've handled the situation better, but neither are the "bad guy" here, and I can understand where they're both coming from. A break-up seems inevitable, and if that is the case, I think Jeph has written it quite well, in a way that's very realistic. Sometimes, these things happens. You love the other person, the relationship works, but as you each move forward with your lives and pursue new goals, you may grow apart or you may be unwilling to make sacrifices, or make the best of a tough situation. Seems that's what we're seeing here.

AprilArcus:

--- Quote from: jwhouk on 16 Oct 2014, 14:40 ---This brings up an interesting thought: what if that is essentially Angus's personality? "The Pursuit." Get his diploma, get his degree, get the girl, get the dream job...

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Basically the anti-Marten. I'm astonished they get along so well.

Aziraphale:

--- Quote from: ASB84 on 16 Oct 2014, 17:43 ---Kind of surprised at some of the flak Angus is copping here. Granted, he has his faults like everyone else, and he's being a bit insensitive here, but I think the way Faye has handled the situation to date does play a significant role in that.

She's been outwardly supportive and enthusiastic, while keeping all her concerns and disappointment with the situation to herself. You could say that it's because she loves Angus and didn't want to bring him down, and I'd agree that's definitely part of it. However, I think it's also quite likely that she just didn't want to confront a challenging issue in their relationship, or have a difficult conversation.

From Angus' perspective, she's been cheering him on as he's pursued a dream job, a dream job that he told Faye about on their first proper date. He goes to New York, he gets the job, and wants to share his excitement and happiness with his significant other upon his return. However, now she's letting her true feelings out and kind of raining on his parade; she has a point, of course, but because Faye never brought this stuff up before, Angus is understandably taken aback.

I guess if you don't particularly like Angus, then this development lends itself well to demonising him to some extent, and seeing him as a self-centred jerk who only cares about himself, the "chase", and whatnot. And to be fair, he does have some jerkish tendencies, so that's not completely off the mark. I can definitely see where you're coming from.

Still, I think Faye shares some responsibility here, because she wanted to avoid a painful discussion and a tough situation... but neither are the "bad guy" here, and I can understand where they're both coming from. A break-up seems inevitable, and if that is the case, I think Jeph has written it quite well, in a way that's very realistic. Sometimes, these things happens. You love the other person, the relationship works, but as you each move forward with your lives and pursue new goals, you may grow apart or you may be unwilling to make sacrifices, or make the best of a tough situation. Seems that's what we're seeing here.

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I don't think either of them are "bad" people. Here's what I do take issue with: Life takes us to difficult places sometimes, whether alone or as part of a couple or other relationship. And if/when you love someone, part of what comes with the territory is giving somebody a safe space to talk about things they need to talk about even if/when they're not comfortable with talking about them. Sometimes that also means being a bit insistent about it, not for yourself, but for them. While it's possible that Angus had absolutely no clue what was going on with Faye, let's give the guy some credit and say that he's in tune with her enough to know if something's a bit off. When that happens, you can wait for someone to bring their problems up, or you can be a bit more proactive and let them know that it's important to you that they talk about it because THEY are important to you. And again, sometimes just letting someone know that you know something's wrong and are there to listen can help them open up to you where they might not have done so otherwise.

In a perfect world, we'd all be safe to say what we needed, when we needed, to whom we needed. In this imperfect world we're stuck with, sometimes it's up to us to be that still point to someone else so they have that safety where they may not have felt or known they had it before.

valkygrrl:

--- Quote from: snarkyone on 16 Oct 2014, 17:36 ---Dibs on Porthos!! :)   Or would that be Portha?   

Mouseket.... no.   Stop that!


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I call Athos.

Stoutfellow:
Does he answer?

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