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WCDT: 2811-2815 (13-17 October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread

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de_la_Nae:

--- Quote from: jwhouk on 16 Oct 2014, 21:26 ---clue-by-four.

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I like that.


I'm making a prediction now:
Angus seriously considers turning down the job
Faye ends up telling him that, no, he really needs to go do this
They part.... not necessarily irrevocably, because they do love each other.... but love isn't always enough by itself
(click to show/hide)And another important man in her life 'choosing' to 'abandon' her certainly makes the odds more difficult
The core of Faye's story for a while is her thinking on and exploring whether or not she really *is* content with where her life is now.
Ultimately ambivalent, which in and of itself is rather an answer in the negative
Quietly works on a serious sculpture
Visits Angus one evening
And it doesn't change that maybe this isn't a wall she can climb, that this might not be a hurdle they can jump
But maybe right this moment they can just hold each other against the darkness, for a little bit more at least

snarkyone:
Trying to be snarky and pointing out one's snarkiness to me because my name has snarky in it, isn't being snarky.   It's lowbrow and I expect more from you guys.     Never go for low hanging fruit jokes.   Especially pear's.   Pear's suck.   Pear's are like apple's slow cousin.

ASB84:
If this is supposed to make us hate Angus...yeah, still not feeling it, myself. Again, I don't disagree that he could be handling the situation better, or that his focus on getting the gig hasn't prevented him from picking up on Faye's true feelings about the matter, but...well, I still think they're both responsible for getting to this point.

I also agree that you could say Angus is half-assing his efforts, but if we're going to say that, we might as well call it like it is with Faye: she's not putting in any effort at all. Not just in the latest strip, but throughout the whole arc. Sure, she's been outwardly supportive, but has she really given any thought to how the situation could work, or how she could come to terms with a less than desirable scenario?

Maybe off-camera, but whenever she's used another character as a sounding board, it's usually been to say how much the situation sucks, that she wants to be supportive, but she hates the idea of it happening. We haven't seen any attempts to come to grips with the worst case scenario, no thoughts of "Well, I love the guy, so I'm willing to give it a try", no "OK, how could we possibly make this work?", or hell, even "I don't think this can possibly work, so it has to end, as shit as that'll be". Maybe she's contemplated that off-camera, but as far as we've seen, she's basically been unhappy with the possibility and tried not to think too much about what'll happen if that comes to pass.

I think that's what Angus' expression is saying in the fifth panel of 2815: "You won't actually make the effort, will you?" or perhaps "You're not even willing to try, are you?" A bit unfair and callous, no question, but I can understand his position. Of course, I can still sympathise with Faye as well. I think they're both at fault to some extent, and I think they both have an understandable position too. I feel it's supposed to be an unfortunate turn of events, an example of how good news doesn't always bring happiness or mean that everything's OK. No one's the bad guy, it's just the way it goes when you want different things.

But as has been already said, maybe it's just a case of giving each other space for the moment, and letting cooler heads prevail. Faye is also at work, and while Dora's a pretty lenient boss, it's not the best time to hash everything out. I kind of get the feeling that for some readers, no matter what Angus did, he'd be in the wrong and a jerk. Fair enough I suppose, we all have our own reactions to the characters, which speaks to their quality and depth.

For me though, it's just a case of two people who have their faults but are ultimately likeable, who care for one another a lot but have handled a situation a bit clumsily, and now have to make some tough decisions one way or another.

themacnut:

--- Quote from: Method of Madness on 16 Oct 2014, 21:48 ---
--- Quote from: themacnut on 16 Oct 2014, 21:34 ---as all romantic relationships eventually, inevitably do.
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This reminds me of the talk show host Gordon Godfrey on Justice League where he was mentioning how the Justice League was ruining America or whatever by saying something like "under the Justice League, half of all marriages end in divorce...and the other half end IN DEATH!"

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Exactly my point. One way or another, by breakup or by death, all romantic relationships eventually, inevitably, end.

ZoeB:
Angus finally gets his big break.
Faye, who until now has given the impression that she at least might be OK with it.... finds out she's not.
What is Angus to do?

I know my heart goes out to Faye, but you know what, expecting guys to always be the strong ones is pretty darned unfair to them.

Angus might well have assumed, or at least pinned all his hopes on, Faye being able to cope. As Faye did.

Faye's self-discovery is devastating for her. But maybe it's equally devastating for Angus too, and Faye's rejectionist body language means he can neither offer, nor request, a hug.

It wouldn't surprise me if it was Angus, not Faye, who fell apart. Alone. With a bottle. Not a good place.

He had two dreams. Thought he could get both. Now must choose. The sensible one is to go to New York of course - avoids laying a guilt trip on Faye, establishes a foundation for the rest of his life. Faye won't feel guilty, Angus won't forever be reminded of mighta-beens, either of which would very likely be fatal to any relationship.

He might not be sensible. "NY just called - their finance fell through, so ... Faye, I desperately need a hug." Lying through his teeth, about the first part anyway, though not the second.

Not that that's likely to work. But who said people are sensible in such matters? Faye's a major character, but Angus is no mere red-shirt spear-carrier.

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