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WCDT: 2816-2820 (20-24 October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread

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ReindeerFlotilla:

--- Quote from: Roxtar on 19 Oct 2014, 18:06 ---
--- Quote from: cesium133 on 19 Oct 2014, 18:00 ---D'awww... If Angus weren't a moron, he'd be the one giving that hug.

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I don't think that's fair... Angus has kept Faye in the loop for his whole "this is what I aspire to" story arc.
her refusal to even make an attempt to help him follow his dream (or try to make the distance thing work) makes me side with Angus over Faye in this case.

He's been open with his aspirations and feelings, she has not.

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He's also been aware that this was a problem, but ignored the issue. Neither Faye or Angus is in the right here. Faye set this situation up by failing to be honest with Angus. Angus set this situation up when he recognized the problem and asked Marten about it, instead of confronting Faye. In a perfect world, they both would have done more--Faye with honesty and Angus with attempting to do more than just dismiss Faye's concerns as bridges they would cross later. In the "real" (fictional) world, Faye told herself she could deal with it, and Angus told himself it wasn't a big deal (clung to evidence that supported what he wanted and let contradictory evidence slip past). That's pretty human of them.

They both deserve sympathy. And, in the end--fair or not, the onus is on Angus to make it right. They were both moved by powerful emotion, but Angus's comes of getting great news while Faye's comes of deeply seated emotional damage. We're talking about something that may or may not have inspired her to try to kill her self. Even if it wasn't a suicide attempt, it impaired her consciousness to the point she lost control of her car.


--- Quote from: MooskiNet on 19 Oct 2014, 18:05 ---Marten is good people.  "Hey, I'm having a GREAT d- oh, let me comfort my friend."

World needs more Martens.

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And this is where Marten did better than Angus. And also why it's important to have an array of friends. Some are going to better equipped to support you with this, while others are better at that.

Stoon:
Perfect Marten.  That was just perfect.

Nyithra:
Awww, friend hugs are the best.

I was afraid to pitch in during the explosion of last weeks thread, so I might as well throw in my opinion now. As someone who used to be terrible at being honest with myself and others, I kind of understand both sides of this whole Faye/Angus falling out. That doesn't make either of their actions right, I think we all saw the height of the communication issues when Angus' question was met with silence and he decided to walk away instead of attempting any sort of reconciliation.

I think both of them knew this problem was going to come up, but they both avoided it. Totally normal thing to do, however disastrous. I don't think the issue is totally over yet though, most people would want some level of closure other than just never talking again after something like that.

Emperor Norton:
To all the people who think Angus should have hugged her: Ok, when someone pulls away from you, then breaks up with you, which is effectively what she did, the right answer is sure as hell not to initiate physical contact with them. That has all kinds of creepy boundary issues to it.

And the whole thing of the onus being on him to fix things: As someone who has huge issues with letting things go myself, one thing I've learned is that YOU CANNOT FORCE SOMEONE TO INTERACT WITH YOU. Faye is not interacting. As long as she refuses to do that, there is literally nothing he CAN do. Every time you force someone to interact with you, it just builds resentment and anger. It puts them on the defensive. She has to be willing to talk things out for him to take any action. She clearly wasn't at that time. There was nothing to do.

I have never ever had it work out where I tried to force a conversation with someone who refused to engage it. Ever. It just leads to bad things.

On this comic though: Marten is a great friend, and he was the perfect person to walk in right now and do this.

Carl-E:
Emperor, you're quite right.  I think Angus is more than savvy enough to know that of all the comforting Faye may or may not need right now, his isn't it. 

Marten isn't always at his best, but he sure is here. 

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