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BenRG:
It's obvious that this upsets you personally, so I'm not going to push this too much but I'll remind you of something: Joyce is a fictional character and she exists solely to advance the story, whatever that is (I don't pretend to be a mind-reader; I'm usually way-off when I try to predict how authors think in advance). So, if the story demands that Joyce has to confront her trauma again in a sudden and even seemingly disrespectful manner, that's what's going to happen. Maybe the character would ultimately benefit from it or maybe it will only make her problems worse; if that's what the story demands, that is what will happen.
Welu:
My issue is not with what the story demands. My issue is with your treatment of the events of the story, events that affect real people so don't bother with condescending, "It's just fiction." excuses for your ignorant use of hackneyed writing ideas that use trauma for cheap laughs and lazy plot advancement.
Neko_Ali:
The 'It's just fiction' excuse is something that comes up a fair bit, both here and other places. I for one do not buy it one bit. Talking about events like Joyce's near-rape may not hurt Joyce, because she is not real. But Joyce also isn't reading the comments, again because she is not real. People who have lived through that experience or worse however do read comments like that. They are real people who are affected by them. The cavalier attitude translates to "Well, it's just not important because it's not real'. But it is important, because even if that particular event happened in a work of fiction, it still does affect the reader of it. What we see, what we read affects us, it becomes part of us. Especially those who can identify with the characters affected. So it totally is real, because even when you are talking about works of fiction because it does affect real, living people.
That is something that any kind of artist or creator should be taking into account. Whether they draw, paint, write, make video games... any kind of entertainment. It affects people. How they feel, how they think.. Not in a 'games make people violent' way, but it allows us to experience or relieve things, for good or ill. So a creator should be thinking about what they are doing, and how it may likely affect people. And decide if that is the message they want to put out. Some people may get a different message based on their own experiences that the creator did not anticipate, but that's one thing. It's another to disregard or not believe that what they create will affect people because it isn't 'real'. That's a disservice to the creator, the viewer and the art itself, by denying that it can have an effect on people when ultimately.. that is the point of art. To affect people.
94ssd:
--- Quote from: Method of Madness on 23 Jun 2015, 04:55 ---Honestly it's more fan fiction than actual prediction. Not a bad thing.
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Disagree. I know it's not a popular view around here or most places. But I've yet to see any form of 'fan-fiction' that wasn't both uncreative and an insult to the original author. All writing is plagarism at least somewhat. But for someone to completely take one writers' characters and go around giving them scenarios and behaviors that the original creator wouldn't want for those characters, as a writer that grinds my gears.
In addition, the entire idea of 'fanfiction' seems hellbent on preventing burgeoning writers from developing actual writing skills. As in grammar, spelling, ability to write interesting characters and sensical dialogue and plot. Those things appear rarely if ever in fanfiction. But it's never treated with the right criticism.
pwhodges:
--- Quote from: 94ssd on 23 Jun 2015, 09:05 ---I've yet to see any form of 'fan-fiction' that wasn't both uncreative and an insult to the original author.
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Oh, there is some; the fact that most fanfic is beyond bad doesn't mean that it all is. I'd claim my Evangelion fanfic would pass your test; but that's an extension of an as yet unfinished story, and so has no need to contradict any existing canon.
--- Quote --- All writing is plagarism at least somewhat. But for someone to completely take one writers' characters and go around giving them scenarios and behaviors that the original creator wouldn't want for those characters, as a writer that grinds my gears.
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Agreed on that.
Anyway, we have established that in this forum we treat Claire of QC itself with the same degree of respect that we would treat a non-fictional character. We should apply the same standard to other fictional characters.
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