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Vic 2 Über Deutschland Blog (Lots of Photos!)
LeeC:
Yeah I did a lot of research on the Taiping Rebellion way back when. It was fascinating. Hong even invited an American priest (if I remember correctly) to the Heavenly Kingdom in an attempt for the Westerner to endorse, legitimize their new brand of Christianity. The priest was more horrified at how they treated their "flock" than anything.
--- Quote from: cesium133 on 19 Jan 2015, 11:01 ---This sounds like an interesting game. What's the learning curve like on it? I keep finding games like this that sound really interesting, getting crushed on the first attempt, then never finding the time to actually learn to play the game correctly...
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Its fairly easy to get into IMHO. I feel like Europa Universalis 4 and Crusader Kings 2 was too complicated in comparison and I couldn't get into them the way I did with Vic 2. Honestly I feel like if you pick a fun or interesting country to play as to learn you will learn a ton. The first country I played as was USA, somehow totally forgetting about the ACW until 20years into playing. Japan is fun to learn because you have to westernize so basically you are starting from scratch. China is a bit slow to westernize but when you do you can jump to the top of the global pecking order like a boss. France is another great one to start because you have a decent military, colonial prospects, and a budding industry.
Akima:
Heh... Perhaps I should give it a try and see what Empress Akima can do with a modernising regime in China. It would be pretty ahistorical, however.
One of the catastrophes of 19th century China was that there was no figure like the Meiji Emperor around which reforming forces could coalesce. The ethnic division between rulers and ruled in China at the time did not help either. Short of a violent revolution, the only feasible candidates would have been Manchu, and a substantial reason why the Qing court was so profoundly conservative is that they knew that the great mass of the Chinese people still hated them as barbarian foreign invaders. Industrialisation and military modernisation would necessarily have placed much greater power in the hands of the huge Han majority, and probably brought down the Qing Dynasty, as it eventually did in 1911.
cesium133:
Looking at the game on Steam, is the expansion pack collection worth the extra $20, or should I just get the game itself?
LeeC:
--- Quote from: cesium133 on 19 Jan 2015, 16:03 ---Looking at the game on Steam, is the expansion pack collection worth the extra $20, or should I just get the game itself?
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Vanilla I feel is more complicated or ties your hands a bit. The one I am using is with all the DLC (House divided and heart of darkness, heart of darkness being super amazing thus far). There is also multiplayer if you wish to team up with some friends and carve up the world.
--- Quote from: Akima on 19 Jan 2015, 13:38 ---It would be pretty ahistorical, however.
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Honestly that's the fun with this game, being ahistorical! Hell I am playing as Germany and I own Jerusalem. If I tech properly I can get an event to open Jerusalem back to the displaced Jews that live in Germany.
--- Quote ---One of the catastrophes of 19th century China was that there was no figure like the Meiji Emperor around which reforming forces could coalesce.
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Too true and it is actually part of this game too. Its why the Japanese can westernize a bit faster than China, but if you know what you are doing you can westernize China quite earlier.
My biggest issue playing as China was fulfilling enough jobs after industrialization, and the extremely low literacy of China. But that was back in Vanilla, I have not played them in Heart of Darkness much. They split China up in 4-5 Puppet states that act like huge minions to China.
LeeC:
*Bonus-Old Footage*
This is from an old saved game from a year or so ago just to show you how ahistorically fun it can be. I was playing the USA. There was a communist rebellion and I learned that day that if rebels take your capital they change your government. Even though I would have won with the USA troops! This is the very next day after the revolution. You'll notice the United States of America is now the American People's Republic. So that's a thing.
Not only do I have the normal Continental States, but I also have Haiti.
A little more than the historical Alaska too.
Then there was this little side project with Africa.
Our government
An army division in Africa.
A flotilla near Norfolk Va.
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