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WCDT: 2878-2882 (19-23 January 2015)
Estron:
--- Quote from: ysth on 19 Jan 2015, 18:42 ---"Go home" is very different from "Get out".
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But in this case, Jeph has Dora say "Go home, Faye . . . " because we all have heard it a gazillion times and it always ends up with " . . . you're drunk." He has her start it that way so we can have little bit of a twist in a non-humorous punch line.
iasthai:
But hasn't Dora fired Faye before?
mikmaxs:
--- Quote from: jheartney on 19 Jan 2015, 18:51 ---
--- Quote from: mikmaxs on 19 Jan 2015, 18:42 ---If your friend says they want to be drunk all the time because they can't handle what they're going through, you go out of your way to help this friend. You do NOT ignore their problem and then get mad at them only when it begins to directly affect yourself.
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This is an understandable, humane and decent impulse. It's also exactly what alcoholism needs in order to thrive. Show me an alcoholic that went on drinking for years, and I'll show you someone with enablers trying misguidedly to help them. Dora's doing the right thing.
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I never said that you don't try to stop her from drinking. When I said 'Go out of your way to help them' I never said anything about enabling them. When I said 'Help', I meant hold an intervention. Keep them from drinking. Get them to seek a therapist (Again). Heck, they even got Faye to sober up for a while and see a therapist a while ago, back when she was going through different emotional issues. (I can't remember the exact context, but it happened.) My frustration here is that Faye is only showing anger, not sympathy, not concern, just a general pissed attitude that Faye is drunk.
Jazzmaster:
Maybe this little kick in the ass will give Faye a chance to pursue something like her art.
Seriously, the combination of breaking up with Angus and losing her job at CoD is a fantastic opportunity for some honest-to-God character development here.
--- Quote from: mikmaxs on 19 Jan 2015, 18:50 ---Just to make sure I wasn't talking out of my ass, I went back and looked closely at the comics since Christmas. Literally everything we see Dora do to support and help Faye is tell her 'Alcohol isn't the solution, Faye.'
Furthermore, when she sees Faye drinking at work, there is absolutely no sympathy, concern, or worry in her expression. We see confusion, and then anger. That's it. Some friend.
Send her home, definitely. Tell her she can't come back in until she sobers up. Hold an intervention. Make sure everyone else knows what is going on so they can help. Don't just yell at your friend for a minute and tell them they're fired without another word.
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What is with people in this thread seriously fucking blaming Dora, when clearly Faye is the one who made such a bad choice?
I honestly think we're reading a different comic here, because what you are reading as "Dora's an asshole who can't understand Faye's problems", I see as "Faye is acting incredibly irresponsibly and needs to get a grip; it isn't the job of her friends or anybody else to just keep putting up with her shit until the end of time".
I mean, do you ever stop to think that maybe it's because Dora IS tired of Faye's crap and saw no other option, because Faye has really gone over the line? Do you think maybe Faye is the one who needs to make a serious change, and that it's not the responsibility of the entire universe to continue to look for ways to make it the least painful for her, even when they've already gone out of their way to help her and she hasn't really done enough for herself? Do you think maybe it's actually Faye's job to take care of Faye and not do dumb shit like show up at work drunk only to end up drinking more, that it isn't Dora's or Marten's or Angus' or anybody else's job to fix her shit for her?
Hate to be That Guy but I'm thinking her abandonment issues and the potential consequences of recent events are being way, way overblown in here. I'd like to THINK that Faye has actually progressed as a person since the comic started. I'd like to THINK that as a person, she has developed the self awareness to understand that she is in control of her life and her actions, and that she can actually learn from her mistakes and let life's lessons mold her into a wiser, stronger person.
Carl-E:
--- Quote from: mikmaxs on 19 Jan 2015, 19:01 ---I never said that you don't try to stop her from drinking. When I said 'Go out of your way to help them' I never said anything about enabling them.
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Unfortunately, addiction thrives on good intentions. Interventions and rehab programs frequently don't work for the simple reason that the subject isn't ready to change. They can perfectly realize how much they're hurting their loved ones, and even themselves, and will go right back to the addictor without so much as a by-your-leave. They will hate themselves for it, too, and break down into a weepy quivering puddle, but will go right back to the same behaviour at the first opportunity.
It's hard to know what triggers a change in the ones that successfully conquer an addiction, it's different for every addict. But something fundamental must change, and that comes from within, not from their friends or family or social workers.
Faye's not ready yet, and it may take a while. In fact, I hope it does. Because any "fast cure" isn't going to be believable, and if there's one thing you can say about this comic, it's that the characters are believable.
Even the robots.
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