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WCDT: 2882-2886 (26-30 January 2015)
Aziraphale:
--- Quote from: NilsO on 27 Jan 2015, 05:02 ---Lady doctor: "I anticipate a full recovery"
Marten: "But she'll be OKAY, right?"
My understanding is that Marten just has problems understanding doctorspeak.
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I just read it as a mix of panic and concern. I'm sure he realizes she's not alright right now, but he's not quite in his happy place at the moment (understandably so).
--- Quote from: BenRG on 27 Jan 2015, 04:38 ---Faye can weld and forge metal, although it is questionable if she has any formal qualifications in this field (possible BEng?)... I wonder if she might end up working in the local bodywork shop as on-the-job training? Oddly enough, her personality and attitude might work quite well in the social environment of auto repair! :-D
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She could also end up at the Secret Bakery. She already knows, and is known by, most of the gang there. It'd give her a bit of distance from her former life -- not so much that she'd feel cut adrift, but perhaps enough that it'd help keep her from lapsing into bad habits. And having Samantha around could also keep her on her toes to some degree.
--- Quote from: bhtooefr on 27 Jan 2015, 02:30 ---Faye would likely be able to get on disability easily, given that her alcoholism is driven by her depression and her PTSD. And, going on disability would also make insurance more available to her, as there's more cheap insurance options available to those on disability.
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Please understand that I mean absolutely no offense by asking this question, but where in the heck are you from? I know someone with an extensive and well-documented history of bipolar disorder and schizophrenia who applied for permanent disability more than a decade ago. He's still waiting. I know people whose physical limitations have meant they're unable to work any longer who've waited for years also. I know the laws can vary from place to place, but it's not exactly a foregone conclusion that she'd have an easy time getting SSD regardless of her circumstances.
shrike1978:
--- Quote from: jheartney on 27 Jan 2015, 11:06 ---
--- Quote from: eschaton on 27 Jan 2015, 09:00 ---The no AA thing I think is most important. Jeph is a pretty militant atheist, and you have to explicitly recognize your fate is in the hands of a "higher power" to be in AA. J
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I guy I knew who was in AA said that, since you choose your own "higher power," if you like you can just have the AA meeting serve as that. The roots of twelve step are definitely religious, but I think there are plenty of atheists in recovery.
Trying to do it on your own, without the meetings, can be a fraught thing. The sponsor and the companionship and the social reinforcement are all important. Without them you can become a "dry drunk," i.e. someone who does not imbibe, but who has never dealt with the demons that made him/her drink in the first place. (See Bush, George W. for an example.)
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Independent studies (not funded by AA) have shown AA to be a terrible long term solution. They have no better long term success rate than spontaneous recovery (i.e. the route that Jeph went). In some ways, they're worse because they convince the addict that they have no control over their addiction, so when they do backslide, it tends to be deeper. Targeted behavioral modification therapy, customized for the individual, is far better. It often includes both individual and group counseling.
bhtooefr:
Part of it is because of the system being clogged by whole towns that have figured out how to get through the system quickly, because education isn't available to re-train for jobs that aren't hard labor, as I understand. So, maybe small towns in the middle of nowhere may be easier to get disability in than in a state that believes in the social safety net?
In any case, it'd be all relative, and I don't think Faye's bad off enough to actually need disability, nor would it help her most likely.
Aziraphale:
Makes sense. And to your latter point, I agree... don't think she needs it, and don't think it'd help if she had it.
sparklemotion:
--- Quote from: plusorminus on 27 Jan 2015, 08:44 ---
--- Quote from: sparklemotion on 26 Jan 2015, 18:00 ---
Interesting that you interpret it this way as I don't actually feel this way. I was speculating (something that seems to be okay to do on this forum) that Marten (not me) would consider Dora not calling "a part of the reason" (not the sole reason) that Faye was able to drink herself half to death.
I stand by the reasons for my assumption that Dora didn't call anyone, but hey, I could totally be wrong & I'd have no problem with that.
*Personally* I have no problem with Dora's actions whether or not she called anyone. She's not Faye's keeper & if Dora feels she needs to put number one first, hey, more power to her. Marten, on the other hand, is loyal to & protective of his friends to a fault. At this point in the story, Faye is a lot higher up on his friends list than Dora is & she is in more apparent need of support. Not to mention that, friends or not, Dora is his ex & people aren't always reasonable when interpreting their ex's behavior.
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I can't agree with that. You're basically saying that Marten is a shitlord, and I can't get with that.
Your analysis would hold water IF:
* He and Dora had remained acrimonious after the split
* Dora had in any way expressed jealousy of Padma and/or Claire
* Dora had made Faye "pay" for the breakup by marginalizing her at CoD
* Dora indicated that she blamed Marten solely for the breakup
* Marten indicate that he blamed Dora solely for the breakup
* They hadn't returned, more or less, to the level of friendship they had before they started going out
Then the idea that he would go apeshit on Dora for something she could not foresee or help would at least be plausible.
However, none of the above is the case. Marten and Dora went out. It didn't work out. It was awkward for a while but they talked it out and hugged it out and moved on. There has been NO INDICATION WHATEVER that there is any tension between them. So if Marten does blame Dora for this, then he is a ginormous, passive-aggressive, useless shitlord, and I just don't see that.
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I said that if Dora didn't call him, Marten may feel Dora's inaction is "part of the reason" that Faye is in the hospital. I said that he may be "upset" if Dora is done with Faye for awhile (even if it is the "best thing" for Dora) at a time when Faye needs support. Those aren't unreasonable feelings. I don't think they constitute going "apeshit" or being a "shitlord." Dora's actions, however, are also not unreasonable. She's acting in her best interest. Neither party is "right" & neither is "wrong."
On one hand you have Marten who is exhaustively supportive of his friends & Faye is his best friend. On the hand you have Dora who, based on her recent Svenectomy & the joy it gave her, is actively removing negativity from her life & Faye is a negative influence right now. That's conflict & it's interesting. And, yes, even if they are on good terms now I think it's possible that their relationship history could exacerbate the conflict now. Faye was one of the main sources of conflict in their relationship & she's the one that could be a source of conflict now.
I could be wrong. They might be on the same page on all of this. If you disagree with me, that's fine. But please do not put words in my mouth past a point that can be explained by semantics.
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