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WCDT: 2882-2886 (26-30 January 2015)
tywren:
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Also don't forget that when both Marten, and Faye wanted to get together, but couldn't because of Faye's hangups; instead of being a friend to both of them, she invoked the Barny Stinson Bro Code, and immediately hopped on Marten's giggle stick.
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Oh, sorry, I must have missed the strip where Marten was dragged kicking and screaming into a relationship with Dora instead of acknowledging a mutual attraction and wanting to pursue things.
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--- Quote from: bartman on 30 Jan 2015, 14:05 ---Oh yes, was this in a missing story arc where Marten and Dora were both walking around naked - innocently so in Marten's case but sneakily on Dora's part, then she sneakily tripped up Marten and positioned herself so he fell into her, then out of her, then back into her again, totally unable to stop himself. Poor Marten.
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I have no issue with acknowledgement of their attraction; what i do have a problem with is that she displayed a complete lack of tact, and forethought in that instance. I mean come on, the guy had been told just that day that the woman he'd wanted to be with for months, can't be with him because she's a mental train wreck, and that very night, she's sleeping with him. No chance for him to process, and get his own head straight over the issue; and no though about how these two are both her friends, and how she'd be changing that dynamic. Hell, i honestly wonder if she'd waited a few weeks if her and marten would have had their breakup at all.
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--- Quote from: tywren on 30 Jan 2015, 12:04 ---Never giving a thought to anything else, including hard proof that she's dead wrong. For all of her talk about cutting toxic people out of her life, the sad part is, the only truly toxic person in Dora's life is Dora. I'm honestly so sick of this character, that i'm hoping we're witnessing the beginning of her final curtain call here. After this, all i really want is for her and her little Gothbucks coffee bar, to join Raven, Jimbo, Pizza Girl, and nameless Linux anthroPC as just another QC memory.
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Y'know, it may well be that Dora is at least a part of her own downfall but maybe this will represent a growth opportunity for her character. Isn't she due the same benefit of the doubt that other main characters get?
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Yes she is, and she used it when she broke up with Martin, yet here she is, making new mistakes for the same tired reasons.
If she'd had any tact she'd have said "Get help, or i have no choice but to fire you", leaving the ball in Faye's court. If she had any tact, she'd have sucked it up, put her big girl pants on, and told Faye herself; instead of dumping the responsibility in the lap of a mutual friend. If she'd had any forethought she'd have realized that telling a drunk, especially a belligerent one like Faye "you're fired, get help" isn't going to cause them to get help; it's going to cause them to drink themselves into a coma; and that the better choice is to tell them to get in the car, don't tell them where you're going or why, and drive them to the nearest rehab clinic.
Like i said, lack of tact, and forethought. It was her problem (well one of them anyway) then, and it's her problem now.
Is it cold in here?:
If the characters conducted themselves with perfect foresight and free of hangups, it would be a much duller strip.
Emperor Norton:
... You know, I feel like I'm the only person who feels like she is actually giving GOOD news to Hanners to tell Faye.
The only way it would be bad news is if you felt entitled to get your job back. And I see no reason she should.
Dora has made crazy decisions in the past (I still think that declaring your brother, the person you just crashed with while you found your own place, who has done nothing directly or intentionally to you, is toxic and that you are cutting them from your life is a bit over the top), but this just isn't one of them. Faye got fired for a legit reason, and giving her her job back would put her in a position where both Faye and the other employees of CoD will feel like she can walk all over Dora.
Dora made a NICE decision, and decided that she, the person who fired Faye, should probably not be the person to give Faye the good news, because it would probably lead to drama.
She isn't telling Hanners to tell Faye "Hey, you are still fired" because well... there is no reason to say that. She is saying "Hey, tell Faye she will still have insurance to sort this out, I won't put in the paperwork until after then".
TRVA123:
--- Quote from: tywren on 30 Jan 2015, 16:01 --- I mean come on, the guy [Marten] had been told just that day that the woman he'd wanted to be with for months, can't be with him because she's a mental train wreck, and that very night, she's [Dora]sleeping with him. No chance for him to process, and get his own head straight over the issue; and no though about how these two are both her friends, and how she'd be changing that dynamic. Hell, i honestly wonder if she'd waited a few weeks if her and marten would have had their breakup at all.
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Maybe you should reread that part of the comic. Dora does NOT approach Marten the day of "the talk", she does so the night of the day after. (560) She and Marten do NOT have sex the night she asks him out. They don't have sex until a while in to the relationship.(604) Dora expresses concern about how they should handle their relationship to make things best for Faye. (565)
--- Quote from: tywren on 30 Jan 2015, 16:01 ---Yes she is, and she used it when she broke up with Martin, yet here she is, making new mistakes for the same tired reasons.
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How is Dora firing Faye for drinking on the job AT ALL similar to her breaking up with Marten over Dora's relationship insecurities?
--- Quote from: tywren on 30 Jan 2015, 16:01 ---If she'd had any tact she'd have said "Get help, or i have no choice but to fire you", leaving the ball in Faye's court. If she had any tact, she'd have sucked it up, put her big girl pants on, and told Faye herself; instead of dumping the responsibility in the lap of a mutual friend. If she'd had any forethought she'd have realized that telling a drunk, especially a belligerent one like Faye "you're fired, get help" isn't going to cause them to get help; it's going to cause them to drink themselves into a coma; and that the better choice is to tell them to get in the car, don't tell them where you're going or why, and drive them to the nearest rehab clinic.
Like i said, lack of tact, and forethought. It was her problem (well one of them anyway) then, and it's her problem now.
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Because it is clearly better to ignore your friends agency or ability to make their own medical decisions; just force them to go to rehab.
I bet if Dora had "forced Faye into the car, not told her where they were going, and driven her to rehab" all of the Dora haters would be going "Dora is such a control freak! How dare she exert that control outside of the employer/employee context! Blah blee bloo" NOTHING DORA DOES WILL EVER SATISFY YOU.
Also, where is it written that Dora knows ANYTHING about dealing with someone who is an alcoholic. Dora is doing what she thinks is right, and as far as i can tell she isn't doing terribly. You can't hold Dora responsible for Faye drinking herself into the hospital after being fired.
Orkboy:
--- Quote from: TheEvilDog on 30 Jan 2015, 11:24 ---Making a motion to have the official motto of the forum changed to "Relax, it's only a webcomic."
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