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How QC and webcomics generally relate to the real USA
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--- Quote from: Oilman on 26 Jan 2015, 20:55 ---It's a classic liberal-left response...
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Oh for fuck's sake.
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Yupp, I mean, it was the only controversial part of his original post unless someone really wanted to defend anime porn.
Lesson, don't say ignorant things and expect people not to say something about it.
Is it cold in here?:
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Akima:
--- Quote from: Oilman on 26 Jan 2015, 18:27 ---there is the usual over-representation of homosexuality (seriously, who really knows that many gay oeople?)
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--- Quote from: Oilman on 26 Jan 2015, 20:55 ---It's a classic liberal-left response that I actually raised several points, and all the replies jump on the "gay" aspect.
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Maybe that is because your other points were quite reasonable and did not reveal such an unpleasant streak of outright prejudice. You described as "over-representation" the presence of, as Carl-E points out, a few gay people out of a large cast, two of whom (Marten's Dad and his husband) have hardly featured in the strip. From this I conclude that, to you, "over-representation" means "having any gay people in the comic at all". Then you move on to this:
--- Quote ---I'd always understood that people with varying degrees of homosexual leanings represented around 12% of the population, which (as has been pointed out) is statistically about right in QC. However the nature of that representation is another matter.
The British writer and media personality Stephen Fry is about as gay as it gets, if he were any more camp, he'd glow in the dark. However it's noteworthy that his portrayal of homosexuality in school and college life (The Liar, in particular) is extremely dark and negative. Evelyn Waugh portrays several gay characters (notably Sir Ralph Brompton) who were clearly drawn from life, and their over-arching characteristic us their untrustworthiness.
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So your "over-representation" complaint is not a matter of numbers (despite your explicitly asking "seriously, who really knows that many gay people?")? Instead your objection apparently is simply that Jeph does not depict homosexuals in a sufficiently negative way? I don't know why you imagine we should regard Evelyn Waugh as having any more accuracy in his views on homosexuality than in his extremely unpleasant racist and anti-semitic opinions. Your chosen "authority" is certainly not a man with whom I would wish to associate myself, or invoke in support of my opinions, but the choice is yours, of course.
McH:
--- Quote from: Oilman on 26 Jan 2015, 18:27 ---(seriously, who really knows that many gay oeople?)
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Err.. I know more IRL than in the QC cast, I think. My best friend is gay, I know his ex, I have a bisexual friend, a lesbian friend who has a partner and her own gay best friend, all of whom I know. I'm also friendly acquainted with a man who has only recently changed back from having identified and lived as a woman for most of his adult life. Oh, and the woman I most recently dated is pansexual, just to add even more variety. It's really not that uncommon if you can be bothered to be aware.
Scarblac:
--- Quote from: Oilman on 26 Jan 2015, 20:55 ---It's a classic liberal-left response that I actually raised several points, and all the replies jump on the "gay" aspect.
I'd always understood that people with varying degrees of homosexual leanings represented around 12% of the population, whic However it's noteworthy that his portrayal of homosexuality in school and college life (The Liar, in particular) is extremely dark and negative.
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Note that an important point of The Liar is that it's full of hilarious bizarre anecdotes that never happened.
But also, love and sex during high school is terrible for almost everybody, and I think he was describing that. The main character happened to be gay, but the various problems (e.g. portraying yourself as a very sexual being, but not daring to express yourself to a person you adore) are hardly unique to gays.
Thirdly, Fry was in high school in the early 70s. Homosexuality was illegal in the UK until 1967. It wouldnt'be be surprising if his experience was less happy than that of straight people.
Using The Liar as an argument for the idea that having gays in the comic is only OK as long as they're untrustworthy, unhappy types is ridiculous.
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