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WCDT 2887-2891 (2-6 February 2015)

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Orkboy:
I'm solidly in the "Woooo!" camp, though I feel like I should post something more insightful than just "wooo."

Given Claire's personality and Marten's level of chill-ness, it's entirely possible that it's just going to be cuddles.  It wouldn't surprise me at all, and I think the fanbase would happily accept that clarification as the next comic, because it both makes sense and still contains high levels of squee-inducing potential.  It would still be a significant step in their relationship.  On the other hand,
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MightionNY:
All I'll say on the Marten/Claire relationship is that it shows me again that Marten is a far better person than I am.

Dark Matter:

--- Quote from: HannahRose on 04 Feb 2015, 22:34 ---Sorry to break the plot twist chain, I just wanted to comment in response to some of the people who are musing about it being "too soon" for Claire and Marten to do.. whatever they might be doing.

It occurs to me that no where near the same number of people seemed to be as critical or concerned about Marten having a one night stand a while back with Tai's friend, nor were there as many complaints about him hooking up with Padma so soon after they'd met. This makes me wonder why, exactly, Claire and Marten doing whatever is such a big kerfuffle in comparison in some people's minds. When it comes right down to it, Claire is 24, Marten is 26, and whatever they want to do, or how soon they want to do it is up to them to decide as consenting, sober adults.


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Sorry, I  know for myself wasn't really thinking hard enough about some of the subtext of my comments. I certainly didn't mean to imply that they shouldn't be doing what they're doing because she is trans, or even that they shouldn't be doing it at all. However, not having intended to say something offensive doesn't mean that I can't still say something offensive, and I apologize again for that. Like I said, I fall overall into the "Woooo!" camp. I just hope that as things progress Jeph gives us more insight into how their relationship is progressing. Especially since I want Claire and Marten's relationship to be a lot longer and healthier than his relationship with Padma or Tai's friend.

Omega Entity:

--- Quote from: HannahRose on 04 Feb 2015, 22:34 ---Sorry to break the plot twist chain, I just wanted to comment in response to some of the people who are musing about it being "too soon" for Claire and Marten to do.. whatever they might be doing.

It occurs to me that no where near the same number of people seemed to be as critical or concerned about Marten having a one night stand a while back with Tai's friend, nor were there as many complaints about him hooking up with Padma so soon after they'd met. This makes me wonder why, exactly, Claire and Marten doing whatever is such a big kerfuffle in comparison in some people's minds. When it comes right down to it, Claire is 24, Marten is 26, and whatever they want to do, or how soon they want to do it is up to them to decide as consenting, sober adults.

There's something else that I'd like to add as well, speculating about whether or not they should get together based on the stage that they're at in their relationship is one thing (although it's still no one's business but Claire and Marten's), but the comments about Claire's trans* status apparently having something to do with it really bother me. The only people who are in any place to make decisions based on that are Claire herself, and by extension Marten, if indeed they are going further than cuddles. Other people discussing it just seems a little bit too close to a direct discussion about Claire's body, which if I'm not mistaken, is not allowed on these forums, since it's not only rude to discuss another person's body, but also potentially offensive to trans* people who may be reading the comments (and no, as has been stated over and over, just because Claire is fictional does not make it okay).

Case and point, I'm trans*, and those comments are offending me, since frankly, how I navigate my own love life around, or in concordance with my body are my own business, and I would certainly not be pleased if a bunch of people I didn't know felt that it was their right to discuss what I should or shouldn't be doing at any point in time. I doubt that Claire would feel any differently.


And I know that some of you are well meaning, but believe me, it is still possible to be offensive even if you're coming from a place of concern. Again, it shouldn't be anyone's business, nor concern what or when Claire does whatever she does with whoever she chooses to do it with (not because of her trans* status, at least). :/

Warning - while you were typing 4 new replies have been posted. You may wish to review your post. nothankyou

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If you had read my post, you'd have seen that my interpretation of it being 'too soon' was that I recalled Claire having not had any relationship experience previously (her unique situation being entirely secondary to that fact), inferring that usually people who are are new to relationships in general don't usually jump into it nearly as quickly. The -only- reason I made any reference pertaining to Claire's trans* status was as a potential reason for her to be more apprehensive about the inevitable next step in the relationship, as it pertains to it requiring an extra layer of trust as opposed to a standard cis relationship. I think you're doing everyone a disservice here by automatically assuming that the 'too soon' comments are directly correlated to her status.

In regards to Marten and his experiences, all parties involved were no strangers to relationships, and specially, those of a sexual nature. It makes absolute sense that they wouldn't have apprehension about the activities involved, as opposed to a virgin (-any- virgin. I don't want words put in my mouth.). And therefore, it makes sense that there isn't the discussion of 'too soon' when it comes to those relationships.

I get that you'd be offended, and it sucks that you feel that way. But I think that I can say that most of us that do screw up, do so out of a place of ignorance (of the non-willful kind) and naivete, more so than any deliberate lack of respect. I get a bit grumpy when it feels like I'm being accused of being offensive when it wasn't my intent, but hopefully I've better explained my earlier post. For me, I know I react better to gentle education. But I also appreciate that some required the not-so-soft touch of a clue-by-four.

Lubricus:

--- Quote from: Aziraphale on 04 Feb 2015, 21:53 ---Still-further-plot-twist: Without realizing it, they've wandered into Jimbo's apartment.

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Or Hannelore's. That has happened before, just with a different couple.

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