Comic Discussion > QUESTIONABLE CONTENT
WCDT 2887-2891 (2-6 February 2015)
BenRG:
Firstly: I! Freakin'! Called! It!
A long while back, I guessed that Marten and Claire's first intimate encounter would be triggered by a highly emotionally-charged moment. I'd thought (and hoped) that it would be after a particularly successful date but this works just as well.
As for 'too soon'? Well, I'm a firm believer in sex after marriage, so my viewpoint is probably somewhat different from some. However, in story and characterisation terms, this feels right. Marten feels punchy and maybe more than a little sad, so he wanted something light and joyful to cling to. Claire decided that, with a sick friend, Marten would need comfort and support. I'm wondering if she went over with the intention of staking her claim on him in an unequivocal way, motivated by a fear that focus on Faye's problems would distract him from her. However, at that moment, she saw in him all the the loved about him - his compassion and care for his friends - and suddenly needed to express her feelings.
Then again, I'm a romantic. :wink:
I'm pretty sure that something sexual is happening, based on the fact that Marten locked his bedroom door behind him. They might not "go all the way" but I expect that they'll go far. I expect Faye to complain to Hanners at some point that, while she's a believer in the free expression of love, did they need to express it for four damn hours?
PREDICTION for next week
* Tai teases Claire about her 'got some last night' glow;
* Faye threatens Claire with death if she hurts Marten;
* Faye then turns to Marten and threatens him with death if he hurts Claire.
Lubricus:
And Marten, as the sly dog he is, has put off reviving Pintsize until after sexy time is over... :evil:
swapna:
Friggin' finally. I hope when they (or Jeph, don't know) got that out of their system, there'll be less content-deprived saccharine comics about those two.
Okay, let's be realistic, I don't really think so, but there's still hope!
To soon/Finally: I think that kind if intimacy between them is usual at that point, though I would have preferred it if Claire had the initiative. She doesn't look that happy approaching the door and after that it's hard to know since she's all obscured by make-outs.
Pintsize: I hope he's all right! I've got a craving for crude dick-jokes right now.
HannahRose:
--- Quote from: Omega Entity on 04 Feb 2015, 22:53 ---If you had read my post, you'd have seen that my interpretation of it being 'too soon' was that I recalled Claire having not had any relationship experience previously (her unique situation being entirely secondary to that fact), inferring that usually people who are are new to relationships in general don't usually jump into it nearly as quickly. The -only- reason I made any reference pertaining to Claire's trans* status was as a potential reason for her to be more apprehensive about the inevitable next step in the relationship, as it pertains to there requiring to be an extra layer of trust as opposed to a standard cis relationship. I think you're doing (mostly) everyone a disservice here by automatically assuming that the 'too soon' comments are directly correlated to her status.
In regards to Marten and his experiences, all parties involved were no strangers to relationships, and specially, those of a sexual nature. It makes absolute sense that they wouldn't have apprehension about the activities involved, as opposed to a virgin (-any- virgin. I don't want words put in my mouth.).
I think context, and intent to insult really should be taken more into consideration before getting one's choice of undergarments into a bunch. Sometimes people don't know the exact way to approach a discussion, and it seems like no matter how careful someone is, -someone- (not pointing fingers) is going to get offended. It seems far more constructive to gently correct them, rather than chastise them as a whole - making them feel like terrible people for making honest mistakes has a habit of getting people's dander up, rather than wanting to make them want to learn the proper way to address things.
Edit: I get that you'd be offended, and it sucks that you feel that way. But I think that I can say that most of us that do screw up, do so out of a place of ignorance (of the non-willful kind) and naivete, more so than any deliberate lack of respect. I get a bit grumpy when it feels like I'm being accused of being offensive when it wasn't my intent, but hopefully I've better explained my earlier post. For me, I know I react better to gentle education. But I also appreciate that some required the not-so-soft touch of a clue-by-four.
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My post wasn't in response to you, at least not specifically.
Now that you mention it though, unless Claire specifically asked for advice about how careful she should be, I still feel that it's no one's place to offer it, even if that advice is coming from concern. Like I said, It's her business, and her decision, not ours.
In regard to my original post apparently coming across as unduly harsh, or sounding like I was chastising people, that wasn't my intention. I've been told that I'm very blunt when it comes to this subject, even when I'm trying to be educational rather than condescending. I guess it's just a habit that I've developed after having had to explain all of this stuff a thousand times to people I know in real life. <- I know that last sentence sounds like I'm being condescending, but I'm not, it's just true. lol
Response to edit:
Maybe I could have worded the whole "I'm offended" part of my post a little bit better, but believe me my intent wasn't to accuse so much as it was to emphasize just how easy it is to *be* offensive with that kind of discussion, even if/when your intentions are completely innocent/coming from a place of concern. Thus proving (well, as much as anecdotal evidence *can* prove something) my point that it's probably better to just avoid the subject all together. :P
(This next part isn't really specifically in response to you either.)
As for my opinion that any discussion about Claire's sex life which relates to her trans* status is just too close for comfort to a discussion about her body, I do realize that that's all it is, my opinion. I'm aware that other people might feel differently, and even though I interpreted it as something that shouldn't be allowed on the forums, I'm obviously no mod, so if they choose to let that type of discussion happen then there's not much that I can do about it. All I can do, and all I was trying to do, was state that I don't like it, and that I feel that it's an (potentially) offensive topic of discussion which should be avoided if possible. That said, I'm not going to spam the report button if other people do wish to discuss it though, but in that event, I just hope that they remember to choose their words carefully at least, since it could very easily cross the line between a thoughtful discussion, and an offensive one.
Given how generally thoughtful and considerate the people who post here usually are though, I'm honestly not all that worried about any such discussion devolving into something unsavory, but nevertheless I still felt the need to comment on it given how close to home the issue is for me personally.
Omega Entity:
I've actually edited down my original post after conferring with IICIH, since I was in a bit of a heated place at first posting :-)
Indeed, if she wanted advice she'd ask for it. She's certainly not afraid to speak up. Rather than advice I was pointing out, it was really just commentary on on the relationship in general. No advice on my part :-)
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