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WCDT 2887-2891 (2-6 February 2015)
TRVA123:
I really like this comic. This is the first story I've experienced where a trans* person is treated like a person, and not like a curiosity. To be fair, I haven't sought out too many trans* focused stories because the ones I had seen were so violent and depressing.
Mr. Black Licorice:
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--- Quote from: Akima on 06 Feb 2015, 16:41 ---
--- Quote from: eschaton on 06 Feb 2015, 09:11 ---Dale was arguably black when he was first introduced, but I'm pretty sure he isn't any longer.
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Wow! Conflating race and, what, behaviour? Are we seriously going to go down that path? <snip>
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Woah, woah, woah... I think you are misreading what Eschaton is saying here. I took it to mean that how Dale was drawn had changed in such a way that it now suggests a different ethnicity. He may have chosen his words poorly, but it's clear to me that he didn't mean what you seem to think he meant.
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It's still opening the conversation to "what Black really looks like", and frankly I don't think this forum needs to be having that right now.
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Part of the reason why controversial subjects are controversial is because we (people) don't talk about them and don't listen to each other. This may not be the time or place for this conversation, but, really when is a good time? Where is a good place? If what someone said was unintentionally hurtful, explaining why will get you further than outrage. With outrage, you just alienate the other person and shut down communication; controversial subjects stay controversial and no one learns.
DillyDolly:
--- Quote from: starkruzr on 06 Feb 2015, 17:09 ---
--- Quote from: DillyDolly on 06 Feb 2015, 09:36 ---
--- Quote from: gprimr1 on 06 Feb 2015, 09:31 ---Question:
Has it ever been established if Claire had the surgery? I seem to remember her saying she did, but I"m not 100%.
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Here's a better question... Should it matter? Why?
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Wait, what?
It doesn't matter for us and the story. Claire is completely "allowed" in a narrative context to be private about this with respect to the audience. It doesn't matter to us at all. What matters is her relationship with Marten. We do not know Claire's surgical status, and I would be willing to bet you nearly any amount of money that we never will, which is fine.
But like, inside the story? Of course it matters. They've almost certainly had a conversation about this off-panel; like, of course they have, this is an intimate detail adults need to deal with. Lots and lots of people are not going to be sexually attracted to people whose genitals are in a certain configuration. That is entirely understandable and completely fine.
I can't tell which "should" you were referring to here -- the audience-related one or the story-related one.
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I ask why, because do genitals really make you a man or a woman? Also, if she is post, does it make her less "trans"? To me, the answer is no—and therefore it does not matter what her plumbing looks like. We are more than our body parts (even beyond genitals).
Zalder:
--- Quote from: Mr. Black Licorice on 06 Feb 2015, 18:42 ---
--- Quote from: Zalder on 06 Feb 2015, 18:29 ---
--- Quote from: Mr. Black Licorice on 06 Feb 2015, 18:26 ---
--- Quote from: Akima on 06 Feb 2015, 16:41 ---
--- Quote from: eschaton on 06 Feb 2015, 09:11 ---Dale was arguably black when he was first introduced, but I'm pretty sure he isn't any longer.
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Wow! Conflating race and, what, behaviour? Are we seriously going to go down that path? <snip>
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Woah, woah, woah... I think you are misreading what Eschaton is saying here. I took it to mean that how Dale was drawn had changed in such a way that it now suggests a different ethnicity. He may have chosen his words poorly, but it's clear to me that he didn't mean what you seem to think he meant.
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It's still opening the conversation to "what Black really looks like", and frankly I don't think this forum needs to be having that right now.
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Part of the reason why controversial subjects are controversial is because we (people) don't talk about them and don't listen to each other. This may not be the time or place for this conversation, but, really when is a good time? Where is a good place? If what someone said was unintentionally hurtful, explaining why will get you further than outrage. With outrage, you just alienate the other person and shut down communication; controversial subjects stay controversial and no one learns.
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Subjects as controversial as the accepted perceived physical traits of various ethnic groups, if they're going to be discussed, should be kept within more guided moderated places, such as academic settings. Even then you're gonna come across people who just don't know how to be civil and end up being intentionally/unintentionally racist and hurtful (believe me I've had horror scenarios break out in classes I've taught). As far as having those discussions on public online forums, you're really just asking for one group to feel attacked an alienated. I hear what you're saying and I'm not advocating censorship, just some damn common sense.
hedgie:
--- Quote from: Mr. Black Licorice on 06 Feb 2015, 18:42 ---Part of the reason why controversial subjects are controversial is because we (people) don't talk about them and don't listen to each other. This may not be the time or place for this conversation, but, really when is a good time? Where is a good place? If what someone said was unintentionally hurtful, explaining why will get you further than outrage. With outrage, you just alienate the other person and shut down communication; controversial subjects stay controversial and no one learns.
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I would say that in many cases, many subjects that are considered controversial because people tend to do more talking than listening.
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