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WCDT 2887-2891 (2-6 February 2015)
de_la_Nae:
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Even people with the worst bigoted views have within themselves the capability to become better people.
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Shit, I can't help but post this, considering I was just talking about this with some other people.
Since you're linking ex-Westboro, if you want to be depressed you should look up the history of Fred Phelps for things going the other way. Man was a goddamned hero, once.
weisbm:
You know, I've read this entire thread, and was wondering if Martin's reaction might just be purely good enough at face value. He's looking at Claire, and she is beautiful!
Mr. Black Licorice:
--- Quote from: de_la_Nae on 06 Feb 2015, 19:27 ---
--- Quote from: Technetium on 06 Feb 2015, 18:26 ---
Even people with the worst bigoted views have within themselves the capability to become better people.
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Shit, I can't help but post this, considering I was just talking about this with some other people.
Since you're linking ex-Westboro, if you want to be depressed you should look up the history of Fred Phelps for things going the other way. Man was a goddamned hero, once.
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Yeppers... sad.
For everyone else, see the Wikipedia page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Phelps.
TomFoolery:
--- Quote from: DillyDolly on 06 Feb 2015, 18:50 ---
--- Quote from: starkruzr on 06 Feb 2015, 17:09 ---
--- Quote from: DillyDolly on 06 Feb 2015, 09:36 ---
--- Quote from: gprimr1 on 06 Feb 2015, 09:31 ---Question:
Has it ever been established if Claire had the surgery? I seem to remember her saying she did, but I"m not 100%.
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Here's a better question... Should it matter? Why?
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Wait, what?
It doesn't matter for us and the story. Claire is completely "allowed" in a narrative context to be private about this with respect to the audience. It doesn't matter to us at all. What matters is her relationship with Marten. We do not know Claire's surgical status, and I would be willing to bet you nearly any amount of money that we never will, which is fine.
But like, inside the story? Of course it matters. They've almost certainly had a conversation about this off-panel; like, of course they have, this is an intimate detail adults need to deal with. Lots and lots of people are not going to be sexually attracted to people whose genitals are in a certain configuration. That is entirely understandable and completely fine.
I can't tell which "should" you were referring to here -- the audience-related one or the story-related one.
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I ask why, because do genitals really make you a man or a woman? Also, if she is post, does it make her less "trans"? To me, the answer is no—and therefore it does not matter what her plumbing looks like. We are more than our body parts (even beyond genitals).
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Regardless of sex identification, body parts can play a major role in attraction. Someone attracted to men may not be attracted to fat men. Someone attracted to women may not be attracted to women with male features, especially such prominently male features such as male genitalia.
Granted, Martin was aware of this and is presumably aware of her pre/post op status, so he probably doesn't mind one way or another.
lightsabermario:
A compelling plot desperately needs conflict. Someone was saying, we just had a bunch of drama, and you want to add more? and I respond, YES. For once, we had what this strip desperately needed to get the ball rolling, and do you know what that was? A bad influence. Pintsize. If it wasn't for Pintsize, this wouldn't have escalated nearly as high as it needed to. Now take the Marten/Claire storyline. Where is the conflict? We go straight from storybook beginning, with a loving mother and a protective brother, to storybook ending, with pure-of-heart boyfriend Marten. Even the internal conflicts have been barely touched on or expressed through actions. Someone else here said it perfectly, this is a fairy-tale for Claire, and it is so dissonant with the realities that most trans people face. Sure, it's really nice, but is it SATISFYING? No, because there were no obstacles to overcome. Certainly none for Claire (that we have been present for), and if there were any for Marten, we didn't see them.
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