Comic Discussion > QUESTIONABLE CONTENT
WCDT 2887-2891 (2-6 February 2015)
Aziraphale:
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Regardless of sex identification, body parts can play a major role in attraction. Someone attracted to men may not be attracted to fat men. Someone attracted to women may not be attracted to women with male features, especially such prominently male features such a penis.
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Fixed that for you.
Also, it's nitpicky, but he's Marten.
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For some reason, I kept thinking about the Seinfeld episode with the Man Hands.
--- Quote from: lightsabermario on 06 Feb 2015, 20:06 ---A compelling plot desperately needs conflict. Someone was saying, we just had a bunch of drama, and you want to add more? and I respond, YES. For once, we had what this strip desperately needed to get the ball rolling, and do you know what that was? A bad influence. Pintsize. If it wasn't for Pintsize, this wouldn't have escalated nearly as high as it needed to. Now take the Marten/Claire storyline. Where is the conflict? We go straight from storybook beginning, with a loving mother and a protective brother, to storybook ending, with pure-of-heart boyfriend Marten. Even the internal conflicts have been barely touched on or expressed through actions. Someone else here said it perfectly, this is a fairy-tale for Claire, and it is so dissonant with the realities that most trans people face. Sure, it's really nice, but is it SATISFYING? No, because there were no obstacles to overcome. Certainly none for Claire (that we have been present for), and if there were any for Marten, we didn't see them.
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One thing that the "Y U No Drama?" crowd seems to overlook, though, is that in much the same way that music is every bit as much present in the spaces between the notes, storytelling needs contrasts. When all you've got is one note -- whether that's comedy or drama -- you need to keep piling more and more on to get the desired effect, until you've reached a point where it's both draining and frankly ludicrous. When there's something for it to contrast against, whether it's drama coming amid comedy (the TV series MASH did this well in its early days, for instance, and in QC, the arc that started with strip 500 would also be a good example) or a bit of comedic relief amid the drama, the effect is heightened.
And life, by the way, is also like that. If you've ever been to a funeral for someone you really loved and missed, for example -- you know, the ones where you cry 'til you laugh 'til you cry -- you know that those pauses, and changes, and all they bring with them, are grace notes in the everyday ebb and flow of life.
Also, "no obstacles to overcome"? When did you start reading QC, exactly? Without doing an archive binge, I can think of several things: for Marten they'd include his habitual passivity, his poor communication skills in some of his relationships, being an occasional emotional doormat, and trying to figure out exactly what he wanted from a relationship. For Claire, you've got everything that goes with her transition (good and bad), plus anxiety, trust issues, and inexperience -- some of which we've already seen manifest in her interactions with Marten. And I'm sure that if we all thought about it, we could add a shit-ton of items to both their lists... many of which remain unresolved. In good time, some will be. It just hasn't been that time yet.
Truec:
--- Quote from: Emperor Norton on 06 Feb 2015, 20:24 ---Apparently, not even in fiction are LGBT people allowed to have nice things.
Also, really, I can't be the only person who has seen the Marten and Claire strips as breathers. They are stuck in between a lot of other drama strips. If their relationship was super drama too, the whole comic would just be DRAMA DRAMA DRAMA GRIMDARK.
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It is no coincidence that a person who styles themselves as the Emperor has, by saying QC shouldn't be grimdark, made it painfully obvious to me that QC needs more grimdark.
de_la_Nae:
Oh you~
'No Humanity, I'm not a god, you don't need gods!'
'ALL HAIL THE EMPEROR, GOD OF MANKIND!'
etc etc
I see what you did there!
ZoeB:
--- Quote from: Is it cold in here? on 06 Feb 2015, 13:18 ---Claire undressing wasn't meant to be foreplay, it was negotiation.
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+1 Insightful
Reaver:
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--- Quote from: hedgie on 06 Feb 2015, 14:01 ---"Before she became the rather quiet (but assertive when needed) Claire we know today, and was still figuring herself out, she was a teen rebel..."
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I desperately want this to be a real thing.
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Unfortunately it's more likely to be Clinton who will turn up dressed like that. Not that it won't be funny of course.
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Clinton shows up dressed as Claire, dressed in biker clothes? :clairedoge:
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