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WCDT 2897 - 2901 (16-20 February 2015)
Mr. Black Licorice:
--- Quote from: dexeron on 16 Feb 2015, 06:29 ---
--- Quote from: cesium133 on 15 Feb 2015, 12:28 ---Claire: So, uh, when I said my dad "left us", what I really mean is he shot himself in front of me...
Marten: Oh no, not this again!
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If Claire didn't already know the Faye backstory (they revealed that to her when they were all on the couch before the "paddling," right?) then this would be the perfect time for her to reveal that her anger at infidelity stems from when her dad left her family...
...because he had another family in secret, with another wife, and even two other daughters! The last Claire heard, he was still living with that other family in Georgia, or whatever it was. She hadn't checked up on him in a long time, because she was so angry. All she knew that he was going by the last name "Whit..." something. Whitman. or Whitacre. Whitaker. That's it. Whitaker.
And then Claire can say: "Marten, why are you looking at me like that?" and then his head explodes. :psyduck:
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I haven't read all the way through the new replies yet, so excuse me if this has been said... Damn - that's a good way to really fuck with a reader's mind! I LIKE IT!
Orkboy:
Dammit, are we back on the Dora-is-a-bitch train? Well, remember to keeps your knees bent and roll when you hit the ground. *jumps off the train*
--- Quote from: dexeron on 16 Feb 2015, 06:29 ---
--- Quote from: cesium133 on 15 Feb 2015, 12:28 ---Claire: So, uh, when I said my dad "left us", what I really mean is he shot himself in front of me...
Marten: Oh no, not this again!
--- End quote ---
If Claire didn't already know the Faye backstory (they revealed that to her when they were all on the couch before the "paddling," right?) then this would be the perfect time for her to reveal that her anger at infidelity stems from when her dad left her family...
...because he had another family in secret, with another wife, and even two other daughters! The last Claire heard, he was still living with that other family in Georgia, or whatever it was. She hadn't checked up on him in a long time, because she was so angry. All she knew that he was going by the last name "Whit..." something. Whitman. or Whitacre. Whitaker. That's it. Whitaker.
And then Claire can say: "Marten, why are you looking at me like that?" and then his head explodes. :psyduck:
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Reaver:
Seriously, what is with this idea that Faye needs to be coddled nonstop? Dora's not her keeper, Marten's not her keeper, they are her friends, not her babysitters, Dora's got a buisness to run, bills to pay, a new relationship, her life can not be all Faye, all the time, and don't forget Faye is being a pretty shitty friend herself, she LIED to her best friend who is also her boss, because at that moment the booze was more important than Dora's trust. :-(
Warning - while you were typing a new comic has been updated saying that Dora is actually secretly Faye's mother! You may wish to review your post you twit.
ASB84:
Dora's pretty much in a no-win situation, both in-universe and with a significant portion of the audience. It makes sense in-universe, because she's had to take harsh action against an employee who was also a close friend. The firing was justified - as she notes, it's what any other employer would have done - but logic and rationale is in conflict with her emotions and compassion. She was right to do what she did, but that doesn't make it any easier, or make her feel much better about it.
On a meta level, it's understandable too. She's a divisive character with traits that are going to rub the audience the wrong way. She's certainly erred before, though that doesn't mean she's automatically wrong about everything else; at the very least, there's the old adage of a stopped clock being right twice a day. Still, not every reader is going to be able to cut her some slack, because her past actions have inspired dislike (or at least annoyance) with a part of the audience. You could argue that some people take it a bit too far with their reactions, but it's still an understandable point of view.
All the same, I think the goalposts are constantly moved when it comes to Dora: "Faye broke the rules, but should've been given a warning and shown more compassion...OK, she was already warned and Dora's policy has been quite clear, so the firing is probably justified, but Dora needs to show compassion...OK, she showed that she understands Faye's going through a rough time, but she said the wrong thing when she mentioned insubordination (dialogue that I think was taken out of context, incidentally)...alright, it seems she really does care about Faye after she was rushed to hospital, and the stuff about the insurance is a nice gesture, but wait, she's really terrible for asking Hanners to pass on the message and stressing her out...yes, the firing is understandable, but how dare she mention it to other CoD employees?"
And on and on it goes. Dora can't win for trying, because no matter what she does, there's something wrong with the way she does it, or she didn't say exactly the right thing.
I don't think it was inappropriate to pass on a message through Hanners. She was very concerned about Faye, but knew that she wasn't exactly welcome at her bedside. I don't think it's inappropriate that she's talking to Penelope about this. It's a pretty informal place of work, with a group of employees who know each other fairly well. She's not divulging anything that isn't true (Faye was drunk at work, and she was fired for it), nor going into detail about Faye's problems. From a legal standpoint, I don't think there's much of a case against her at all.
That's something else I've noticed: the prospect of legal action being taken against Dora keeps coming up. A flimsy case aside, it seems like there are people who really want to see her suffer or be punished for firing Faye. Again, kind of understandable given she's a divisive character, but extreme, and a tad silly. She shouldn't be punished for doing, as she acknowledges, what any other employer would do. Furthermore, she is already suffering, because she feels terrible about having to fire a friend.
It is fair to wonder whether she could've been more supportive of Faye, as one of her closest friends. However, it seems they don't socialise as much as they used to, and with Faye's sarcasm and abrasiveness, as well as her secrecy and unwillingness to face unpleasant realities (she avoided the issue of Angus possibly having to move away as much as possible), it's asking a lot for Dora, or Marten, or anyone else to know the extent of her problems. As TheEvilDog pointed out, no one else is ultimately responsible for Faye, either; she may have "hella issues", but she's an adult, and she has to take responsibility for herself and her actions. Having compassion for Faye and holding her accountable for her actions are not mutually exclusive, and her problems are not a Get Out Of Jail Free Card, absolving her of any responsibility or wrongdoing.
Mr. Black Licorice:
--- Quote from: Reaver on 16 Feb 2015, 17:05 ---Seriously, what is with this idea that Faye needs to be coddled nonstop? Dora's not her keeper, Marten's not her keeper, they are her friends, not her babysitters, Dora's got a buisness to run, bills to pay, a new relationship, her life can not be all Faye, all the time, and don't forget Faye is being a pretty shitty friend herself, she LIED to her best friend who is also her boss, because at that moment the booze was more important than Dora's trust. :-(
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YEAH! Pick on Faye too! Be equal about it.
... I'm not one to judge either of them, really. It's easy to find fault with one character or another, but in the end all that matters is what was lost; trust and friendship. Which is why I'm looking forward to the two characters both growing. In reality, that's the best you can expect in a situation like this... it's either that or become bitter. Too many people choose to become bitter.
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