Comic Discussion > QUESTIONABLE CONTENT
WCDT 2897 - 2901 (16-20 February 2015)
swapna:
--- Quote from: AprilArcus on 19 Feb 2015, 17:18 ---
--- Quote from: CM_albion on 19 Feb 2015, 17:10 ---i must say, for all that i am a supporter of people being themselves, however that manifests, and will be until the day i die, this minefield of new terminology you have to memorize so as not to offend people gives me a headache sometimes.
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kids these days with their newfangled mouth sounds why in my day we just had gay, straight, cis and trans and you'd like it. maybe demisexual or genderqueer if you were a real special snowflake none of these fictives or otherkin you see running around in public like it's a damn mascot convention and they tell me I have to remember everyone's pronoun in the nominative, accusative, genitive and dative cases or they'll cry in a corner about how I'm erasing them with my linguistic hegemony well I got news for you, take one step across my lawn and I'll be after you with my pink pearl like Robert Rauschenberg with a Willem de Kooning on his easel!
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o.O your avatar fit this.. almost.. perfectly
Aziraphale:
--- Quote from: CM_albion on 19 Feb 2015, 17:10 ---
--- Quote from: AprilArcus on 19 Feb 2015, 16:57 ---
--- Quote from: kent_eh on 19 Feb 2015, 06:29 ---
--- Quote ---...with a cis guy
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Excuse me for being clueless about such things, but can someone define the term "cis" for me?
I assume from the context that it has something to do with having a traditional gender identity, or something like that.
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Yup! "Cisgender" is a way of talking about people who aren't transgender without using loaded words like "normal".
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i must say, for all that i am a supporter of people being themselves, however that manifests, and will be until the day i die, this minefield of new terminology you have to memorize so as not to offend people gives me a headache sometimes.
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This reminds me of an old history teacher who was in the habit of calling me "Mark," or occasionally "Brian" (neither of which is my name) because, as she would say every damn time, "You look like a Mark (or Brian)." It's not like she didn't know my name. It's not like it wasn't right there in front of her in black and white in her grade book. Remembering to call someone what they are, by the terminology with which they identify themselves, is as easy as remembering their name. It's also common courtesy.
But if that's asking too much... well, pleased to meet ya, Sparky.
eschaton:
--- Quote from: snarkyone on 19 Feb 2015, 16:16 ---I'm going to respond to just this. Why does there have to be a "pang of apprehension" Why does he have to have reservations? Why does there need to be friction? Maybe since he's okay with it, that friction isn't needed. But you're also missing the friction that is there in the form of Claire's uncertainty and apprehension. Believe it or not, no friction IS a quandary. It's unheard of in most relationships alone. Throw your presumptions and expectations for a trans/cis relationship into the mix and what you have is a very lovely surprise. Because you're complaining about the lack of friction where you expect it to be... (I think that was Jeph's intent)
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AprilArcus has highlighted how Marten's attitude towards trans issues has...evolved...over the years. We know that he was exposed to a lot of very openly genderqueer people when he was young. I don't know if Marten needs to be apprehensive per se, but it would show more character growth for him to remark upon how his childhood experiences shaped his initial views. Like he thought it was all about camp and such, and he never really considered the issue because he never really thought he'd meet a down to earth transwoman (like Claire) whom he had so much in common with.
So, speaking personally, I don't think that I wanted there to be friction per se. But presuming that Jeph is telling this story in part to be didactic, it would have helped things IMHO if Marten had a bit more of "everyman" in him in these interactions, and was a little bit less of a magical love gentleman.
Omega Entity:
--- Quote from: snarkyone on 19 Feb 2015, 13:20 ---
--- Quote from: ReindeerFlotilla on 19 Feb 2015, 13:18 ---
--- Quote from: Omega Entity on 19 Feb 2015, 13:07 ---Which game are you playing where a d20 is used for stats :psyduck:
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True 20? I haven't looked at those rules in a while.
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It's been that long since I played. We're on what? Ed. 5 now? :/
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The last D&D edition I played was 3.5 (wouldn't touch 4e with a 10-foot pole), and all the stats were pretty much d6 rolls (I think our DM had us roll 5d6 and drop the lowest - it's been a while).
--- Quote from: Aziraphale on 19 Feb 2015, 17:27 ---
--- Quote from: CM_albion on 19 Feb 2015, 17:10 ---
--- Quote from: AprilArcus on 19 Feb 2015, 16:57 ---
--- Quote from: kent_eh on 19 Feb 2015, 06:29 ---
--- Quote ---...with a cis guy
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Excuse me for being clueless about such things, but can someone define the term "cis" for me?
I assume from the context that it has something to do with having a traditional gender identity, or something like that.
--- End quote ---
Yup! "Cisgender" is a way of talking about people who aren't transgender without using loaded words like "normal".
--- End quote ---
i must say, for all that i am a supporter of people being themselves, however that manifests, and will be until the day i die, this minefield of new terminology you have to memorize so as not to offend people gives me a headache sometimes.
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--- Quote from: AprilArcus on 19 Feb 2015, 17:18 ---kids these days with their newfangled mouth sounds why in my day we just had gay, straight, cis and trans and you'd like it maybe demisexual or genderqueer if you were a real special snowflake none of these fictives or otherkin you see running around in public like it's anthrocon all day long telling me I have to remember everyone's pronoun in the nominative, accusative, genitive and dative cases or they'll cry in a corner about how I'm erasing them with my linguistic hegemony well I got news for you, take one step across my lawn and I'll be after you with my pink pearl like Robert Rauschenberg with a Willem de Kooning on his easel!
--- End quote ---
This reminds me of an old history teacher who was in the habit of calling me "Mark," or occasionally "Brian" (neither of which is my name) because, as she would say every damn time, "You look like a Mark (or Brian)." It's not like she didn't know my name. It's not like it wasn't right there in front of her in black and white in her grade book. Remembering to call someone what they are, by the terminology with which they identify themselves, is as easy as remembering their name. It's also common courtesy.
But if that's asking too much... well, pleased to meet ya, Sparky.
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I think CM_albion means more that, there seems to not be a very unified language that's appropriate across the board. When there's fifteen or more different possible pronouns that a person may or may not find acceptable to be referred by, it can be extremely daunting, especially for those who have little to no experience with appropriate language. It seems like having -so many- terms, with no real consensus on what's acceptable does more to hurt understanding and acceptance among others than it does to encourage education, acceptance, and understanding.
Think of it like a cliff face - sure, the determined are going to be all 'fuck you rock wall, Imma climb you like a mofo!', but for the vast, vast majority, they'll throw up their hands and take the path of least resistance -i in this case, they fall back on language that they know and are familiar with, and is easy to understand. Thus the importance of having bite-sized information to hand-feed the less-inclined masses. They're much more likely to make an effort, if they don't feel like it's an impossible endeavor to figure out what is the 'proper' word choice.
Consilium:
I have a question: so we found out that Claire is worried about what Clairemom may or may not worry about in strip 2840:
(click to show/hide)http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2840
So why wasn't this an issue when she stayed over after Faye got out of the hospital? Did Claire have a fuck the police moment and claimed some sovereignty?
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